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Season 5 Spoilers: Arthur, Gwen and Merlin

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Tassja_G said:
*warning: don't read the comments unless you want to spend 10 minutes angrily shaking your fist at the screen*
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I was reading this yesterday and at a site where a lot of the people are upset by this. The M/A fans don't like it at all and then I read some Arwen fans who are also upset because the producers felt it necessary to mention that the bromance is still intact. Come on, Arwen fans, let's understand why they felt it necessary to say that. The bromance is a big and important aspect of the show. I'm just happy about what they say about the queen!

The time jump. Now that would probably mean there's been no enchantment reveal. So, the probability is that there never will be. But of course they could dig it up at a point for their purposes. And how many years are we talking? I also think it's unrealistic that they would have had no children if there have been several years gone by. Unless she suffers from infertility which I'm sure won't be addressed.

Personally, I don't understand the big hype among certain factions that there is going to be a problem now that she's queen. With the level of friendship that Gwen and Merlin had I don't get it. But then again, maybe I do. Maybe I do know what the problem is for them. She's in the way now. I think Merlin as the adviser/protector to both the king and queen is very possible and easy for the writers to do. Can they? Can they see that Merlin's ability to protect Arthur should not be deterred by the presence of his queen, who is also Merlin's close friend and no doubt will join Merlin in his loyalty to the king and even be an aide to that.
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Yes, Natassja, I did read the comments yesterday and not only that but added my two cents worth. Could not help myself.
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Tassja_G said:
I understand why they said it, my frustration comes from their determination (encouraged by certain sections of the fandom) to elevate the bromance above all other characters and relationships on the show, to the point where the plot and character development suffers hugely. You know there's an unhealthy dynamic when people want a character to 'get out of the way' in order for a relationship to flourish. I want the writers to develop Arthur and Merlin a complex and mature way, without short-changing Guinevere's character. Most of these fans would like Guinevere not to appear at all and for the show to be one long quest with Arthur/Merlin. It's interesting because many Arwen fans love Merlin and appreciate his character, while a a huge number of Merthur fans despise Gwen and make the most hateful/ dismissive commentary about her.
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For me the writers seems to be playing it safe, trying their best not to offend the methur and arwen fans ... hence the interview.
I dont care what they want to do with the bromance part but as long as they treat Gwen as she should and deservedly so, i am allright with their views. Gwen/Angel didnt get much screen time last season but whatever screen time she was given, she nailed each one perfectly. So, now she is queen and we want her to be the woman behind Arthur's success; she needs more screen time with arthur, merlin, the knights etc. So, i hope the writers pay attention to this as well as their so-worried-for bromance.
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Tassja_G said:
I was encouraged by the writers' comments early on which seemed to hint at expanding Gwen's role. I'm just tired of segments of the fandom whining at the slightest possibility that the two men who get 98% of the screen time may just share some of that with Guinevere.
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Natassja, that is the difference between the methur fans and the arwen fans.
For the methurs, gwen is a threat and that's why they despise her, treat her like a dirt whereas we never lay a single finger on Merlin because ... we are sensible enough to know what's rationale and what's not.
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Tassja_G said:
This is why I inhabit Arwen spaces...and also why I should.not.read.comments.on such articles by anti-Gwen fans. :D
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arwentko1 said:
Yes it is disturbing some of the things some of the fans says. But regardless of what they believe Merlin, the character, need other characters to make this show work besides just the bromance between him and Arthur.

I read some of the comments and HQ I agreed, of course, with every word. You were very respectful but got your point across.

How boring would this show be if we just had A/M on quests for 13 episodes. Peeing, dolopheads, clotpoles...etc. This is season 5 not season 1. It worked then but not so much now. I enjoy an ensemble cast which includes romance. Oh my Arwen shipper heart.

Also, I really enjoy the dynamics of the OT3 and have hopes that they will be written well.
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EPaws said:
You also forget that most Merthurs are mindless twits. This is not something ARWEN, in general are. Merthurs have many issues masked as being pro GAY, that ISNT what they are pro, but they hide behind it. Everyone can see it for the fetish bullshit it is. Because it is bullshit.
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Natassja, that is exactly where I'm coming from. If you notice all the whining and complaining it's because of what the interview said about Gwen as queen, especially her being in a "very different role" this season and now playing a more prominant role as Arthur's confidant." Perhaps we'd rather they not have brought up the bromance and banter, but I think they are pacifying so let them. Producers do have to do that from time to time. To me, the important thing is that Gwen has been elevated, which is eating away at the guts of many of those who have other agendas.

I say, look guys, they're married. Her being a confidant means just that. Arthur is king and she's his queen. We got that early; there was a time we thought a marriage wouldn't take place until the show ended and we got it now. Haphazard and poorly written and all that, but we got it.

Let's hope for the best and for better days. We'll never be fully satisfied and certainly we won't have scenes like Kim's fanfic (LOL) but we KNOW we've got a queen here. Main point of J& J is that Gwen and Merlin are close so people who like the bromance will still see it because there's no conflict there. I have no problem with that. Some folks are not going to get the real deal they wanted and that is a whole other issue!
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I can see why the writers are trying to play it safe. I think they are trying to make right for both fan communities. Online I see more Merthur fans than Arwen fans. I think they are trying not to lose any fans. I just hope that there are enough Arwen moments and even some Gwen/Arthur/Merlin friendship moments. After all, Gwen and Merlin were friends first.
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Let them whine, it's not going to change anything. Yes, I think the producers are trying to pacify that faction of the fandom since they're so loud and vocal so let them play their politics. As long as Arwen stays intact and Gwen gets some scenes (really after 4 seasons of them short changing Gwen when it comes to scenes, I've lowered my expectations and I'm not expecting much from them anyway), I'll be fine.
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Tassja_G said:
Some twit had the nerve to suggest that Arthur/Gwen/Merlin is a dynamic that has never worked. I accepted their witless challenge by listing all the episodes that did, in fact, work :D

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I have nothing to add. I should have heeded your warning, Natassja dear. Ignorance abounds.
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Tassja_G said:
Kim: astounding isn't it? I couldn't help responding to the twit who claimed episodes with the OT3 were uniformly bad. I swear ARWENITES are the only reason I stay in this fandom. **hugs**
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Melisey said:
I love that they will focus on the OT3. At first I read the fans interpretations of the spoilers, and I was a bit disappointed. But these spoilers sound great. Well, except for the time jump. I'll ignore anything bad the fandom has commented. As long as the writers do their job and the actors deliver, I am happy. Anything else is irrelevant.
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Nattasja, I haven't read the comment you made there yet but will as soon as I get back on. Just want to say good for you for speaking up! I got into a bit of a "tussle" there myself. At first I was against bothering with these people but I'm starting to think Arwen people need to show ourselves more to let fans (and producers) know we are a force too. As long as we're mature and respectful, it can go a long way. Not if we act like whining twelve year olds like I once read about Arwen fans on one of their sites, but like we have good heads on our shoulders, which we do!
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i am happy that maybe finally they are giving Gwen the attention that she deserves. I love Merlin but I don't think I would have stuck with it if I didn't like Gwen so much. So I have been hoping and praying that they would give her more scenes and expand her character to do other things other than to do with Arthur. I really feel they don't use her talents well because she is a great actress who makes you believe when you watch her. S 4 was great but I was disappointed by the scenes that they deleted and especially not giving us THE WEDDING! the coronation was beautiful but I personally wanted to see Arthur looking into her eyes and promising her forever. As for haters, they need to move on. their hate is getting old. they are so insecure about their ship its pathetic. love you guys! have missed this spot. Life is demanding
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I agree, I had to comment also, because this nut said that the 3 dynamics did not work he is a fool. Also, if anyone should know about Merlin's magic first it should be Gwen/Gwaine because Arthur still has not accepted magic and Merlin will need a buffer and I certainly think that she would be the perfect buffer along with Gwaine.
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EPaws said:
Welcome home angelmygirl!
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