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Awatara - ang Huling Airbender Who's a better apoy bender????
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She can bend blue fire and lightning. She defeated Zuko on many occasions. She almost killed the avatar. I think Azula is the most powerful bender.
Zuko beat Azula in the Agni Kai for the throne. The match began where both were fairly even in firebending. After Azula charges on her blue flames, Zuko performs the spinning fire kick, knocking Azula down. Azula realizes that she can’t win so she decides to play dirty. She quickly prepares to use her lightning, Zuko seeing this prepares to redirect the lightning. Instead of shooting the lightning at Zuko, she targets Katara (Dirty Move), Zuko then jumps in the path to protect her. Since he was in an awkward position when redirecting the lightning he was left paralyzed. Katara then resumed to outsmart and defeat Azula, she simply finish off what Zuko had started.
As you can clearly see, if Azula did not resort to foul play Zuko would have been fine. Azula is a rat who realized that she could not win so she did the only thing possible, force Zuko to let himself be hit. Zuko was beating Azula in the Agni Kai and if Katara was not there he would have won!
Yes you are right about the previous battles where Azula beats Zuko. But remember the episode “The Firebending Masters”? In this episode, Zuko can’t fire bend anymore because he has lost his inner fire. What had been fueling Zuko’s firebending previously was his anger and desire to capture the Avatar. After he joined the group, he could no longer draw from this source. But after watching the dragons, he learns that he can draw from the true source, his desire to help bring balance to the world. In this episode Zuko learns to fire bend from his true source. He can draw more power from this source. In return his firebending power doubles. You argue that Azula’s blue flames are stronger, but plenty of characters who don’t use blue flames are stronger then Azula, for example: Iroh the Dragon of the West, Avatar Roku, Fire Lord Ozai, Fire lord Sozin, Fire lord Azulon, the Red Dragon from “The Firebending Masters”. I doubt that Iroh, who invented lightning bending, would lose to Azula in an Agni Kai. I doubt that a Dragon would lose to Azula!!!
In the end we know who the better firebender is…. ZUKO!!!
Zuko owns Azula!!
Plus Azula only got that shot off on Aang because he was fighting a whole battalion of elite earth benders, Zuko, and her. He was outnumbered and resorted to going into avatar mode, where he is defenseless. I think since that episode Aang is now more cautious when going into Avatar mode. In a 1v1 Aang would beat Azula. Plus that was during Book 2. In Book 3 Aang masters all the elements. Aang pwned the fire lord and he can do the same to Azula. Do not underestimate the Avatar he would pwn Azula in a rematch!!
I believe both of these benders are very adapt, but after Azula went crazy, she got sloppy. Therefore I say Zuko is the better bender. Fire bending is about self control, without that, Azula is just another admiral zhao.
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And of course Azula also has blue fire.
ZUKO PWNED AZULA
you guys are still in denial rofl
and you still mention blue fire?
There are plenty of firebenders without blue firebending that would pwn both zuko and azula why don't you read before you post.
lmao
How is Azula going insane an excuse? It's fact. Zuko took Katara with him because he knew that if she hadn't lost her mind, Azula would beat him. Maybe not as easily as usual, but that is pretty much Zuko admitting Azula would win. Maybe because she in manipulative and a good strategist but also because blue fire enhanced by Sozin's Comet is still more powerful than orange fire.
And how can you say "ZUKO PWNED AZULA" when Azula would have KILLED Zuko if Katara wasn't there. I'm not using this as evidence that Azula is a better firebender, I'm just saying that I'M lmao at the fact you can't admit Zuko lost. Azula had a great plan and it worked. Azula ultimately won the Agni Kai, but lost against Katara.
And I'll read through Zetsumanboy's long post later. I'm in a rush so sorry I'm just saying my view.
I enjoy a good debate so yeah. If you disagree fine ;)
"Die hair! Die! Ahh! You shall pay! Argh!"
Yes, very in control. And she banished like..everyone who kinda helped her. At least Zuko had enough brains to not cut his hair until he was bald or had just one strand left. Don't agree? Easy. Don't respond. Thanx and Goodbuh bye.
First and foremost, the obvious; Azula has Blue fire (supposedly hotter than any other fire) on the show. This is something unique to Azula and Azula alone. Where as Bloodbending is not unique to Katara. And metalbending is not unique to Toph. Others have done it before and (in Toph's case) after. Plus Katara can only do it during the full moon whereas Azula's blue fire and lighting are present at all times. And she is very skilled in using both.
The second most obvious is that Azula has lightning. At the time--prior to the Korra era--few benders could produce it and fewer could redirect it. Azula was one of the few who could produce it and most characters have no way to redirect it as only firebenders can do so. In fact water is a rather conductive element for electricity, so the waterbenders would probably be screwed. And of all the people who can bend lightning I think Azula does it the best--with most accuracy and power. Ozai's may be big and flashy, but both times he used it, it was redirected. Where as Azula's usually hit the mark.
And lets not forget that Azula killed the Avatar (you know, master of all for elements, most powerful being in the series). Zuko searched for a whole season and couldn't get him. Azula got him within a few episodes of looking. And she did so rather effortlessly. If it weren't for that Spirit Oasis water he'd have been dead. Azula punched out Cthulhu. To this day (in Lok times) she was the only character to kill an Avatar.
She's a psychopath. If anything that just makes her more dangerous because she lost touch with her morals. And her moves are unpredictable. And because of it she'd probably be more likely to aim for the kill.
Azula also has some knowledge of acrobatics and weaponry. Katara without her bending was shown to be rather helpless and Sokka had to give her a hand. Toph was also rendered rather helpless without Earthbending, that is until she invented metal and Aang had some troubles when he could only bend air. Whereas Azula (as shown during the eclipse) was successfully able to take on 3 benders and one skilled nonbender, all without bending. She knows how to do these crazy jumps and flips and knows how to throw an knife or two. She's also very fast, she maneuvers from place to place with ease. So at the loss of bending she can still kick ass.
Azula was also a child prodigy. As mentioned in The Search, she mastered about 14 forms of firebending at a really young age. 14 forms as a young child. With all the practice and effort she put forth, she's crazy good.
Speaking of which, she practices until she masters. She doesn't just settle at 'okay' she didn't even want one hair out of place. Bending practice is the one of the very first things we see her doing. So she put some time into mastering her element.
She pretty much won every battle she was in. She took on all the Kyoshi warriors. She beat Katara and the gang on multiple occasions. Let's not forget that in The Search she battled a spirit wolf and won.
Azula is also dangerously manipulative. She manipulated the Dai Lee into helping her. That's how she took down Ba Sing Se. She manipulated Zuko into joining her again. She got the Earth King.
She was also shown to have been able to breathe fire like Iroh. It can be argued that she was only able to do that because of the Comet. But if she's still able to breath fire...well then, hot damn!
And last but not least, Azula took the Dai Lee and Ba Sing Se (something that even an army couldn't do). Something the Fire Nation struggled to do in a 100 year time period, she did within a few days. Something Iroh failed to do.
Honestly, I strongly believe that the only reason Katara and Zuko beat her was because she went insane. Plus Azula has no qualms about killing people. And she did beat Zuko...even in the final.
In direct response to the comment; Actually no…. hahaha Uneeded snark and mockery that does not aid the discussion but rather detours the opposition from actually trying to see you're point.
Zuko beat Azula in the Agni Kai for the throne. The match began where both were fairly even in firebending.
Zuko did not beat Azula. Katara did. Zuko got his booty fried. In fact at the very start of the battle they established that Zuko said he "needed help to take down Azula" and that's why he bought Katara along in the first place. It was established that he didn't think he could take Azula down on his own.
After Azula charges on her blue flames, Zuko performs the spinning fire kick, knocking Azula down. Azula realizes that she can’t win so she decides to play dirty.
Which wouldn't have happened if Zuko didn't play dirty in bringing Katara in the first place. 2 on 1 isn't the fairest means of fighting either. I also didn't interpret that as a last ditch 'I don't think I can win' move. To me it came off as using the surroundings as a morbid advantage. Let's be real--Katara should not have been speculating from that close up--again that was a flaw of their own making. I believe that Azula still stood a firm change even when knocked down.
Speaking of playing dirty. Not only was it somewhat so to bring a second person along. But it was also rather dirty that he used her mental ailment against her. Zuko knew darn well ("I can take her this time...she's slipping") that she was in a fragile state of mind and exploited it through the very mockery that got him zapped. It isn't exactly a fair fight when one of the opponents is clearly in a not-right state of mind. Yes Azula fought dirty, but she was certainly not the only person to do so.
She quickly prepares to use her lightning, Zuko seeing this prepares to redirect the lightning. Instead of shooting the lightning at Zuko, she targets Katara (Dirty Move), Zuko then jumps in the path to protect her. Again, strategy. And I hate to blame the victim; but come on she saw the large blasts of fire, she knew the danger, she should have moved farther back from the fight. And again, her very presence was kind of a dirty move.
Since he was in an awkward position when redirecting the lightning he was left paralyzed. Katara then resumed to outsmart and defeat Azula, she simply finish off what Zuko had started.
Yes, started but never finished. By all means he lost. Katara won for him. He was well aware of his options. And he took the moral high ground--don't get me wrong that's not a bad thing at all, it's really noble--but in choosing to do the right thing, he, himself had chosen defeat.
As you can clearly see, if Azula did not resort to foul play Zuko would have been fine. Azula is a rat who realized that she could not win so she did the only thing possible, force Zuko to let himself be hit. Zuko was beating Azula in the Agni Kai and if Katara was not there he would have won!
That's up to speculation. He may or may not have been fine. I can't say for certain, nor can you. Tables turn constantly in battles. Who's to say Azula would not have eventually gained the upper hand. She is very smart, very calculating, and very dangerous. However it is possible that she wouldn't have been able to. Azula is an intelligent chess-master, an opportunist (as opposed to your rat allusion) who saw an opening (which again could have easily been prevented) and took it.
Yes you are right about the previous battles where Azula beats Zuko. But remember the episode “The Firebending Masters”? In this episode, Zuko can’t fire bend anymore because he has lost his inner fire. What had been fueling Zuko’s firebending previously was his anger and desire to capture the Avatar. After he joined the group, he could no longer draw from this source. But after watching the dragons, he learns that he can draw from the true source, his desire to help bring balance to the world. In this episode Zuko learns to fire bend from his true source. He can draw more power from this source. In return his firebending power doubles.
I can agree that Zuko's new skills are certainly impressive and he's come a long way and learned a lot. However--for example; say you have two people, the straight A student and the straight F student. The F student picking up his/her grade does not bring the A student down to a B. Yes it is possible for the F student to match up to the A student, however the A student (in the time that the F student was picking his/her grade up) may or may not have learned to excel even further. Such could be the case with Azula and Zuko.
Whilst Zuko learned some, Azula still kept up her mastery and possibly exceeded it. She was shown to practice firebending forms very often. If anything Zuko had only evened the playing field. I don't think he surpassed her.
You argue that Azula’s blue flames are stronger, but plenty of characters who don’t use blue flames are stronger then Azula, for example: Iroh the Dragon of the West, Avatar Roku, Fire Lord Ozai, Fire lord Sozin, Fire lord Azulon, the Red Dragon from “The Firebending Masters”.
And they are--I do believe that Bryke stated thusly. Again this is for the eye of the beholder. I've always seen Azula to be more powerful than them. Iroh had not taken Ba Sing Se. She did, almost single highhandedly. She was seen to have breathed blue fire. Though I will say that Iroh is probably one of the few who may be more powerful, but he has age and experience that Azula does not.. Ozai not so much. Throughout the series until the end he pretty much just sat on his ass. He had Azula do most of the fighting for him. Zuko--without his new skill set--bested him. And his power derived mostly from the comet. Same with Sozin. The only and sole reason he was able to take down the Air Nomads was because he had help from the comet (where as Azula was able to conquer Ba Sing Se using her natural skill set). There wasn't really any mention of Azulon's bending abilities, much less any proof that he was better than Azula...the mentioned firebending prodigy whom had mastered well over 17 forms as a child (as mentioned in The Search. Same for the Red Dragon--to be frank I don't really even remember who he is, much less any significant bending abilities.
I think Azula (and her blue flames) are better than the lot of them--this including Zuko.
I doubt that Iroh, who invented lightning bending, would lose to Azula in an Agni Kai. I doubt that a Dragon would lose to Azula!!!
Iroh didn't invent firebending. Toph was really the only person who invented a bending style. As said above, I do agree that Iroh could probably best Azula. But I don't think that it would be as instantaneous as you seem to think. As of the dragon--I think an actual dragon could kick everyone's ass--yes Azula's included. As a dragon is a dragon. And a dragon is on a whole different playing field.
In the end we know who the better firebender is…. ZUKO!!!
Forgive me, but I fail to see how explaining how Iroh and a dragon taking down Azula proves anything about Zuko's skills. Just because other people (whom are more powerful than Zuko and Azula both) can take her down, doesn't mean Zuko himself can.
Zuko owns Azula!!
Except not really. She's been whipping him since they were kids.
Plus Azula only got that shot off on Aang because he was fighting a whole battalion of elite earth benders, Zuko, and her. He was outnumbered and resorted to going into avatar mode, where he is defenseless.
Avatar mode? Defenseless? He nearly toppled a city with it. Whilst he was largely outnumbered, he had massive power to make up for it. And the fact that he was outnumbered still does not take away from the fact. She got him. He was down. Victory is victory. I don't think anyone could take the Avatar down alone. Once again, Azula is a strategist. She was the one who got the army, she was the one who had them positioned where they were. The fact that there was an army there to distract him was Azula's doing. So either way around vast credits go to her.
I think since that episode Aang is now more cautious when going into Avatar mode. In a 1v1 Aang would beat Azula. Plus that was during Book 2. In Book 3 Aang masters all the elements. Aang pwned the fire lord and he can do the same to Azula. Do not underestimate the Avatar he would pwn Azula in a rematch!! As stated above I think that Aang could possibly be one of the very few characters who can beat Azula for two main reasons; 1. he's the main character, mains always win. 2. He's the avatar, he has 4 elements, she has one.
That in mind, Aang being able to beat Azula does not say anything about Zuko's skill set. Especially given that Aang had trumped Zuko so very often. All that proves is what we already know; that Aang is the most powerful in his series.
I don't think it's far-fetched at all to speculate that Azula would have been the victor.
Zuko holds his own and counters all of his sister's attacks. Azula loses her footing while trying to dodge and tumbles across the ground.
Of course you're not including the counters Azula had on Zuko. They were pretty evenly matched throughout the fight. Zuko had some pretty close calls himself. That's how a fight tends to work in shows and literature; both sides are pretty evenly matched to keep the suspense. It would be rather unrealistic for Azula to not stumble at least a little.
Zuko taunts her for not using lightning, knowing she's afraid he'll redirect it back at her.
Knowing she's afraid? Since we're clearly throwing sass and mockery into this debate; lol. She was not afraid by any means. She was rather quick to take him up on the challenge for someone who is 'afraid'.
Infuriated, Azula prepares a lightning attack. Instead of sending it at Zuko however, she sees Katara on the sidelines and sends the lightning at her. Zuko shields her from the lightning and is mortally injured. Azula realized that Zuko would counter anything she threw at him.
Smart play on her part. As BlindBandit mentioned; it was a rather tactical move. Katara was dumb enough to get in the crossfire and Zuko enough to let her stay there. Is a solider going to lower his gun because another enemy solider gets in the way? Doubtful. Is a solider going to lower his gun because a civilian wandered onto the battlefield (in a perfect world, yes, but) in the real world, no. And as stated above; Zuko chose to shield her, by all means he did not have to.
It had nothing to do with knowing he could counter, it's a weighting of options. I'd rather take a shot at something I knew would work 100% than at something with a 50/50 chance--especially if I knew the outcome would be the same both ways.
I believe both of these benders are very adapt, but after Azula went crazy, she got sloppy.
Which brings me back to he played dirty too. You're main argument is that Azula only beat him because she played dirty. My stance is very much the same. Of course it's going to be easier to take down someone in an unstable mind frame. He took advantage of her slipping state of mind. That is just as dirty as Azula's foul play.
And to be honest a bit sickening. Yes she was an evil person, yes she had (in a sense) picked the fight but she was a 15 year old girl. A 15 year old girl in the middle of a complete collapse, and he used that to take her down. He essentially kicked her when she was already down. At least she made her dirty move when he was in a sound mind frame.
Toying with people's mental issues simply isn't something a moral person should do.
I will however grant him leeway given the situation at hand. It however does not change the fact that using a person's mental ailments is something of a cheap-shot.
Therefore I say Zuko is the better bender. Fire bending is about self control, without that, Azula is just another admiral zhao.
Zuko was a better bender in that moment, and that moment alone. Up until then Azula was clearly better. A mentally sound Azula can beat Zuko. And I still think it's fair to say that a crazy Azula had a decent chance. Taking up a totally different mentality than in the above paragraph; psycosis could make a person thrice as dangerous (at least in Azula's case) as they no longer have touch with morals. The moves become unpredictable and therefore harder to counter.
Speaking of mocking, lol. I'll say again rotfl! Are you really comparing her to Zhao. That guy was a loser from the start. That guy was weak. Azula, even in crisis was crazy powerful. They are on completely different levels. Zuko is closer in skill to Zhao than his sister.
excuses excuses excuses Believe what you want lol
Not excuses at all. Simply food for thought. The other side of the imaginary opinion coin. Our points are as fair and as reasonable as yours.
ZUKO PWNED AZULA
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you guys are still in denial rofl
Or is it you who refuses to see the opposing side? I'll admit you had some decent points. But I believe the Azula side did as well. If you want to pin it on 'excuses' and 'denial' go ahead, but that would be a sad loss of an opportunity for new speculation.
and you still mention blue fire?
New commenter, new viewpoint on blue fire. And yes we do bring it up because it is a decent factor. As mentioned prior, Bryke had mentioned that her fire burns hotter than orange flames. It's just a simple little point that counts for something.
There are plenty of firebenders without blue firebending that would pwn both zuko and azula why don't you read before you post.
I'll refer you back to the paragraph where we discussed that earlier. The key words in that sentence were 'pwn both Zuko and Azula.' Other benders besting both of them does not prove which of the two--in essence--is the better bender. It just proves that both can be taken down.
lmao
Lol indeed at the one who thinks that just because we see things differently that we are in denial or making excuses.
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