I have a friend who thinks the 3rd Cinderella movie should've been the sequel. I still have yet to see that and the 2nd Cinderella movie all together, but who's on board my friend?

I know this is gonna sound weird because Anna's my #8, Rapunzel's my #10. While I find Anna more entertaining and endearing, I genuinely think Rapunzel is the more well written character. I don't think Rapunzel's "quirkiness" and "marketability" is nearly as shoved in my face or as distracting as Anna's. In fact I think Ariel (an incidentally quirky princess) surpasses Rapunzel in that regard. I always find it so bizarre when people use the word realistic to describe Anna. Really? She feels like a caricature, like a cartoon. In fact, I think that's why the forced comedy works for Anna and not Punz, because Anna's so cartoony and in your face. While Rapunzel isn't exactly "Ms. realism" I find her more realistic, subtle and dimensional than Anna, I've actually meant quite a few girls like Rapunzel, my high school had a lot of them, though I think I've met a couple Anna..ish people. But honestly, I think Anna is two notches away from Snow White on the realistic scale, the only reason people seem to think Anna's more realistic is because the movie acknowledges her flaws, which is good but at the end of the day both Anna and Rapunzel have flaws in my opinion. I hate to say it but I think this may be a prime example of being spiteful towards a popular princess, Rapunzel, and wanting to champion for an unpopular one, Anna.

And yes, I do prefer Anna but when it comes to topics like character development, complexity and depth, I want to give credit where it's due. Let me put it this way, I also enjoy Spongebob Squarepants (Anna) more than Avatar The Last Airbender (Rapunzel). Get it?

I think people mistake calling a one-dimensional character a bad character. I mean, I call Aurora a one-dimensional character and a lot of her fans get really bin out of shape because they think it means that they're a bad character. There is nothing wrong with liking a one-dimensional character and I think a lot of people just won't admit that a character they like is one-dimensional. I'm not just talking about Aurora but with a lot of other characters too. I mean, I love Gogo, Honey Lemon, and Wasabi from Big Hero 6 but they are one-dimensional characters, which I think is undeniable.

I actually love Snow White's rag dress. it's one of my favorite raggy/peasant dresses in animation, though I don't know why. it's cute, and has a bit more character than Cinderella's rags.

i don't think prince Charming is boring, ugly or a jerk he's just less developed and is still a nice guy and cute too =P

I guess I don't mind the "three-day-fall-in-love" old trope in Disney. It's not realistic, but Disney is about magic and illusion, not realism. But my personal issues are the cases where the prince and princess undergo the usual "three day period" with one another, but have practically "no chemistry" as a couple on screen ( I'm specifically talking about Tiana and Naveen, here, and Anna and Kristoff). This is one thing, among many, that makes those characters not enjoyable for me.


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I also think there is a ridiculous new trope being touted in the Moderns: "love solves everything from being non-human to changing the weather!"

TPATF, Tangled, Brave, and Frozen, have romances and love themes that are largely thrust upon the characters' already existing non-romantic or non-loving natures. The romance or 'love" was just "there." I was left scratching my head as to "why." And the answer appeared to be that everyone involved in the movie as a protagonist was affected by some sort of spell as a plot development, so love was used as the familiar cure. I could say the following. Naveen and Tiana are a couple because they were compelled to be romantic or "in love" with each other in order to return to being human people. Merida finds out that loving her mother is probably the only thing that will prevent Elinor from becoming a real bear inside and out. And... Anna's longing for love was so great it compelled her to break Elsa's icy heart, and teach her a lesson about love and sacrifice.

Forcing "the romance" or "the love" does not work, in my opinion, not even for fixing spells on screen. It bearly worked for Elinor. (I know, I know. Sick pun). When you force romance or love, it comes across as just...a catch all panacea for everything. TPATF, Brave, and Frozen each specifically use " the love cure" as a plot resolution, to fix each one of the story's problems, instead of letting the romance or love concept become a side-note like it was in Mulan, TLM, and Aladdin. ( To some extent the "love cure" concept began in Snow White, and Sleeping Beauty, was present in Beauty and The Beast, and has been brought back IN FORCE as the "catch all save the day" resolution for ALL of the Modern /Revival films). It's weird, but I kept seeing this "love cures all" parallel in all three of these Modern movies, which each have the exact same set-up. Yes, the setting is indeed different in all three, and the characters may differ, but the plot is basically the same. Someone or multiple someones are cursed. Over the course of the movie, the protagonists find the romantic or love hotline and get the love cure, and all of their problems melt away: they become human again, they get their dreams fulfilled (restaurant), they stop being bears, they stop the freezing weather, etc., etc. It will all be okay--- as long as people love one another. ( It does not work like that at all in real life--- no amount of love can stop bad circumstances from happening; it only mutes some of the effects; love does not cure anything!) It's strange that the Revival movies pride themselves on being the LEAST FANTASTICAL of the Disney DP movies, offering the most realistic opinions ( so they say), while they still tout this MOST FANTASTICAL CONCEPT " that love will solve all of your issues." HUH. The Revival movies REALLY ARE more like Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, and Beauty and The Beast, than people first might imagine.

It's funny that the "love cure" between Ariel and her father, and between Ariel and Eric, did not help them defeat Ursula in the end. Instead, cunning and luck, actually helped to defeat Ursula. Falling in love did not help Mulan defeat Shan-Yu and save China. Falling in love certainly did not help Aladdin and Jasmine defeat Jafar. Again, like TLM, cunning and luck and the Genie's help were the real things that saved the day.

Of the Revival era movies, only Tangled narrowly avoids the "love cures everything" pitfall at first, because the romance is a side-note to the adventure of seeing "the lanterns," and defeating Mother Gothel. But then this movie also falls prey to the "love cures all concept," as Punzie sings her healing song of love for dead Eugene, and "love" in a released tear is the cure that brings him back to life. Maybe that's why I mostly find these Modern movies very much derivative: they're all copies of one another at the very core, and they only differ due to the setting, and the characters.

I wonder if Moana will have the same "love-cures-all" trope that ALL FIVE of the Revival films share. The Revival films have much more in common with their Classic predecessors, Snow White and Sleeping Beauty, and their Renaissance predecessor, Beauty and The Beast. I'm tired of Disney pretending to be "innovative" while actually being lazy, yet again.

And now I have discovered another reason why I like TLM, Mulan, and Aladdin LOADS more than The Princess and The Frog, Tangled, Brave, and Frozen. TLM, Mulan, and Aladdin all said love was important, but it would not save the characters from their problems or issues. Those problems or issues would have to be solved another way, external to love. And that is much less fantastical, and much more realistic.

I actually liked Age of Ultron and found it better than the first Avengers film (which is massively overrated). Don't get the hate for this film.

My favourite Disney movie is Beauty and the Beast but I don't like the new added scene "Human again". I like the idea of the objects having some more screentime alone, but the tune is not catchy at all and while the scene is funny (more silly than funny, I think) it is not as funny as "Be our guest" or "Gaston". It also slows down the movie a lot and there are just too many songs at that part. I also think that this song doesn't really fit to the whole film. Except the scenes like "Belle" and "Gaston" (but these are supposed to show the simplemindedness of the citizens) and "Be our guest" (which is far more spectacular than the new scene) the movie has some dark and brooding but also magical and hopelessly romantic air and "Human again" is just simply too silly for me. When I was little I used to watch the original version and now when I would like to watch it online or when I'm looking for it on DVD I find only the new version with the new song. :( I don't know if I could get the old version anywhere on DVD... :(

I think Anastasia Tremaine is unconventionally beautiful. She was ugly in the first movie but that's because the animators were trying to make her unattractive, as opposed to the sequels where they try to make her facial structure and smile more appealing.

I do think is unfair some people defend Pocahontas for being inaccurate but bash Frozen for being so far from the source material for purely subjective reasons. Just because the "Snow Queen was such an awesome fairy tale"

I don't get people who bash Pocahontas for being historically inaccurate but let Anastasia pass, and in their defense they say bullshit like "uuuh well it's not that important/i care much more for Pocahontas". like, dude, what's your problem, i get America-centrism is a thing, but you can't brush off Russia's history. I'm not saying Pocahontas' problems aren't there, but I mean really...Dude, at least be consistent. Either you dislike both films for being inaccurate or you don't mind it. Don't see why you need to play favoritism considering they do the same thing (turn a brutal real life massacre into a fairytale princess story)

Elsa would look cool with lose hair. i know most of the princesses tend to have long loose hair and it'd be refreshing to see more short-haired heroines and such, but darn i kinda like the idea of her hair lose. i find braids to be overrated in animation anyway. =P

I know this doesn't apply to everyone, but I think fans of damsel in distress characters are hypocrites. I mean, they hate how damsels in distress are always being hated on while action girls are praised. However, they go right around and hate on action girls just because they're action girls and aren't girly or sophisticated or proper like damsels in distress are. Whether a character is a damsel in distress or an action girl shouldn't matter but rather their personality. There are damsels in distress that are good and there are those that suck, same with action girls. I wish people would stop hating on the other group of characters and just like them for their personalities. But while the fans of damsels in distress are hating on action girls for basically the opposite reason of action girl fans hating on damsels in distress, they're pretty much proving that they're no better than they are and end up being hypocrites.

I...I don't think Elsa and Jack Frost would make a good couple.

I know it's not official, but I consider Emma Swan from Once Upon A Time to be Disney's Snow White's daughter. I know that Once Upon A Time isn't canon to Disney but I don't care. It's mainly for selfish reasons because I ADORE Emma Swan and she's one of my favorite fictional characters. She's just plain AWESOME and I can't help but want her to be Disney's Snow White's daughter. Plus, unless Disney makes a sequel (which I HIGHLY doubt) where she gets her own child, I'm considering Emma to be her child and NO ONE is going to change my mind otherwise.

Joy and Sadness were boring and very annoying. Would have been better if Disgust and the others had been the main characters.

I have absolutely no idea why fans here hate modern versions of classic stories so much. I personally love Maleficent, Mirror Mirror and Cinderella and find them extraordinarily detailed. Awaiting Beauty and the Beast version so much!

(Kinda personal, but humor me if this has already happened.) How would y'all feel if they created a princess with abandonment issues? You know, seeing a side of a potential new DP we haven't seen before? She could be abandoned by her parents or something. Then, at the end of her movie, she'd get over them when she finds/meets her true love. What would y'all think about that?

Do you guys think all disney princesses and modern heroines are pretty much Ariel, Belle and Jasmine expies

I don't like Beauty and the Beast.

I ADORE Ariel and Melody equally but I think from an objective and critical stand-point that Melody is a better character than Ariel. I mean, she does have a lot of the same traits as Ariel (since she's her freaking DAUGHTER) but also has her own traits. Ariel is very confident, a social butterfly, and comfortable in her own skin. Melody on the other hand is very insecure, shy, socially awkward, clumsy (on land at least), and feels like there is something wrong with her. She overcomes her flaws and learns to be comfortable with herself, admits she makes mistakes, and fixes her mistakes. I do think Ariel realized she made a mistake but Melody is definitely more developed than her and does fix her mistakes.

Ok, as much as I dislike Frozen in general...I can't stop liking Let It Go. Sure, it's catchy, and super overplayed, and doesn't carry a good message in the context of the film...BUT outside of the movie, when listening without context or applying it to other non-Frozen characters similar to Elsa (have uncontrollable powers, can't fit in, self-esteem issues), it does come out as a badass, empowering song, promising to give us lots of badassery in time come. But...the film doesn't deliver.

I've just realized that Ariel would be the perfect boy. Almost all her negative traits, if as was a boy, would be seen as good qualities. Her forgetfulness and slight selfishness when it comes to her father's party would be seen as independence. Her willingness to trade her voice for love would be seen as romantic and courageous. Ariel's fans have probably known this already, but it's something I've just realized.

i think Jasmine is the least talked about princesses amongst all despite having such a strong personality. And she's the only princess who's been clearly overshadowed by her own prince.

I do think that Oz: The Great and Powerful is a really bad movie but I actually didn't think that Mila Kunis gave a bad performance as Theodora/The Wicked Witch of The West. A lot of people say her performance was cringeworthy but I actually thought she did great. I mean, she's definitely not the original witch from the 1939 film but that doesn't make her performance bad. She clearly really got into it and had a lot of fun.

I dislike Rapunzel's braid. It's so thick that it looks really weird. The flowers are a nice touch, but can't save it.

I think Frozen is still kinda over-hyped. (For those of y'all who don't know what 'over-hyped' means, it means overrated.) Yes, I'm glad the movie was successful, and yes, it was good, but sometimes, it still gets ALOT of attention.

I don't find Meg from Hercules to be attractive AT ALL! I think she's ugly. I love her and she does have some pretty moments but overall is ugly. I HATE her body, her hair looks like is has 100 bottles of 80's hair gel in it, her facial structure is too bony and sharp, her nose is too pointy, her smile is creepy, she has turtle lips, and WEIRD eyebrows. Yes, I know that's part of the style of the animation but that doesn't mean that it's good or that she's pretty. I love her but I NEVER understood why so many people find her to be so stunning.

I love magic in Disney movies especially when it's a witch or a fairy-godmother, BUT (and this is sort of weird) I hate it when they have pointless "magical" aspects to them, like wings, wands, crowns and horns especially the WINGS. I sort of like a witch to have a classic bubbling cauldron and fairies to appear to be a normal maid then have magic just shooting from their fingertips. I don't know, but I've noticed I tend to appreciate movies that don't over-do it with whimsy more. *cough Maleficent cough*

Here goes... I don't like the music in Frozen, and I don't like Idina Menzel's singing. I just felt like the songs weren't memorable at all- like they made attempts at certain emotions, but the emotions ended up being hollow, if that makes any sense. And I really really don't like the pop or R&B or whatever style Idina sung "Let it Go" in. Not to mention the way she emphasizes her "L"s really bugs me. (It's not just her, it bugs me when Gonzo from the Muppets does it too!)

Honestly, if you guys hated Frozen then you won't like Wicked either, since it's just the same thing but set in the Wizard of Oz.

I like Let It Go but I don't like it when people only apply it to snow and ice themed characters and such. Since the lyrics are so vague, you could relate them to any other type of magical power one character can have. It could be about fire, or telekinesis, or anything else, really. Just as long as it's supernatural...I myself like applying it to mutant characters like Jean Grey or the Scarlet Witch (i know that sounded really stupid).

I saw something in the Moana Fanpop article saying Moana will have like "normal body proportions". I'd like to say something about that-I don't care what her body looks like. She's already beautiful. I just want to see what her character is going to be like when her movie comes out.

Hmm. Well, I finally watched TLM 2, again. It's an okay movie, and one of the better sequels, but I still feel like it is missing something. Mostly, I think it is Melody herself...who is very uninteresting. I mean, Melody is just the reverse of Ariel and wants to be a mermaid. Unlike Ariel who wanted to be a human in order to explore what was above the sea, learn from books, and have her questions answered about "how things worked"--- by contrast, Melody just wants to escape being "a social pariah." In a way, Melody has more in common with Elsa than she has with Ariel. Melody and Elsa both run from their problems, are social pariahs, and think people are deceiving them by telling them the real truth about their actions!! And although Melody finally throws the trident to Triton, that moment is oddly reminiscent of Elsa getting rid of winter by waving her arms and shouting, "It's love!" Overall, I still get the vibe that Melody is only a half-finished character--- just like Elsa. I'm not saying that that is totally bad... I mean, Melody predates Elsa by YEARS, of course. Aside from a few incidental differences ( like ice magic and Melody being able to pick up the magic trident herself), it's interesting that Melody and Elsa have basically the exact SAME story arc: they are sheltered girls thinking their families are the problem, and they think that being by themselves is the solution. In one of the rising action sequences of both Frozen and TLM II, the heroine is confronted by her family member ( Ariel telling Melody that she is making the wrong choice; Anna telling Elsa that she is making the wrong choice... See the resemblance? So Frozen is a rip-off of TLM II in a way...) I'm just saying that that is what separates this movie from being on par with the original The Little Mermaid. Melody is okay, but I found Ariel to be way more convincing as a heroine in her youth. Melody mopes around like Elsa does. Elsa mopes and builds an ice castle, while pretty much blaming Arendelle for not being able to accept her; Melody mopes and swims around collecting a few seashells, and blames her mother. In her younger days, Ariel did not handle her isolation so poorly. Ariel occupied herself with hobbies: keeping a collection and hunting for human stuff; thirsting for knowledge and observing humans to better understand them without being prejudiced. What is noticeably different was that though Ariel disagreed with Triton's rules, she did not blame her dad for thinking the way he did. In contrast, Melody blames Ariel for everything. Ariel was even more of a heroine in her role as a mother capable of making mistakes. To me, Ariel was definitely convincing as a mother. I guess, Ariel was always facing the results of her decisions, whether they were good decisions or bad ones. Melody and Elsa... ? They just ran, ran away; they would not face their problems until someone called them out on it, and by then it was almost too late to do anything to save the situation.

I don't get what people hate about Cars 2. I like it better than the first one.

I don't think that Be Prepared from Lion King is one of the best villain songs. Everytime I see a list about villain songs this one is nearly always in the top three. For me it is in the middle of my list, but mostly because of the scene , but as a song it fails for me. As I said the scene is cool, but I find the melody extremely forgettable. I prefer songs with catchier tunes that I can sing or at least hum (like Poor Unfortunate Souls, Friends On The Other Side or Hellfire).

The Lion King is very overrated, and not that good imo. The last time I saw it i found it so full of flaws I just couldn't enjoy it. it has a good message, but everything else aside from the score kinda bothers me.

Related to my previous confession, I don't get why people body-shame the DP's for like being too skinny or something. THEY'RE JUST CARTOONS! Yeah, if we had a DP who was all skin and bones, it'd be one thing, but they need to stop body-shaming the current DP's because to me, they look normal.

I don't find Cinderela beautiful or a great role model as many of you say, especially here on fanpop. she's VERY overrated

and speaking of overrated princesses, omg why is Aurora getting so appreciated recently? i don't get it. she's probably the most boring and weakest princess. yeah she's beautiful but..is there more?


it annoys me that Elsa has more fans than Anna and is also more recognized. if it wasn't for her song "Let it go".she wouldn't have half the popularity. Anna is so much more likeable and has a lovely personality. Elsa is always depressed and scared, and even when she reveals her new look, she's still the same insecure person who doesn't do anything. Anna takes the risks, Anna is smarter, Anna is braver. where's the love for her?

the hate for Merida is ridiculous. i think the majority of the hate comes from the fact that she's from Pixar. cause seriously, what do the other DP have that Merida doesn't, aside from a musical number?
why is she always low on people's lists?

I always dislike fanart that turns around the roles of Anna and Elsa, portraying Elsa as this smooth "bad-a" and Anna as this sniveling coward whom big sister has to save. It should be the other way around, imo.

I actually like Aladdin's animation. Yeah, it's inconsistent and cartoony, but I don't really mind that. It isn't one of my favorite styles of animation, but it looks phenomenal in comparison to it's sequels.
I like the character designs, the backgrounds and the colors.

I honestly dont understand how people compare moral values and personalities of Classic vs. Renaissance Vs. Modern. The DP from each era are so characterized because that's how people were in that particular era, they believed in certain set of values and executed in a specific way. Now the digital age is already here, which our next generation will be most close to and they won't understand and relate to previous eras as much. Doesn't mean any of them aren't good enough as Classics or vice versa.

I don't get how most people have a massive hate-boner for Frozen, while they adore Tangled. They're pretty much the same thing for me. (I'll say Tangled is even worse, but that's just me).

I consider the characters in Once Upon A Time to be Disney characters for the following reasons:

1.The show is owned by freaking Disney!
2.It has several Disney characters in the show like Belle, Ariel, Cruella De Vil, Phillip, Merida, and so forth. If it has that many characters that are Disney, I think we can consider other characters in the show to be Disney.
3.Emma Swan has her own page on the Disney wiki.
4.Even if it's not exactly like the Disney characters we know and love, it's just as Disney as Maleficent (except it's actually good).

Maleficent x Chernabog is the best Maleficent ship out of them all. I never got the appeal of Maleficent x Hades and Maleficentt x Jafar. Jafar is pretty unromantic to me (aside from some nice graphics which pair him up with the evil queen), and Hades is better off in a twisted way with some of the heroines like Aurora and Amalthea or even Yzma. Maleficent x Horned King is nice too, but I think she'd dislike him the moment she sees how frail he is. That and imo he's much better fit with some of the heroines, someone beautiful and elegant like again, Aurora or Amalthea...(To keep that Death and the Maiden aesthetic).

...Wow, this is really stupid. But at least I got a chuckle out of it.

I know, you've all heard it from me before...
I think Tarzan is a masterpiece. I can admit that there are flaws and even point them out, but I can't help but love every second of it.
It isn't a movie I watch much, but I did a few days ago, and like every other time, it's as if I'm seeing it for the first time.
I'm kind of obsessed with it (I'm even making fan art!) but for the sake of the club members' sanity, I'll do my best to keep my obsession outside of Fanpop. *Glances at my icon* Yeah.

In all honesty, I could write a long article describing my (strong and positive) opinion of the movie, highlighting what I love about the characters, music, art, relationships between the characters, character development, character design, darker elements, emotion, symbolism, concept art and ideas, humor...I probably will ending writing one, I just don't think I'll post it. Anyhow there is no doubt there were some incredibly talented and hardworking people behind the scenes.

Note: It's cool if you don't like the movie as much as I do. My apologies for going overboard and being a fan girl.

I think The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian was a fantastic movie! Yes, it made some changes to the book, but what translates well in a book doesn't always translate well into a movie. Like how in The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe they had Father Christmas say "Battles are ugly affairs" instead of "Battles are ugly with women in them" and not telling Lucy or Susan that they couldn't be in battle. I've been listening to the books on my audio CD's and I have to say that the book Prince Caspian is one of my least favorites of the books. I think the movie actually made a lot of improvements. Lucy is more active (she doesn't fight or anything, but she's more active than she was in the book), Peter and Susan are given story arcs that make sense to why they're too old for Narnia (YOU'RE NEVER TOO OLD FOR NARNIA! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER!), Caspian is more interesting (I do find him interesting in the other books he's in, just not this one), the villain while still dull is more human, the story is more focus, faith is tested, and we get to see the White Witch/Jadis again! I think it's a very successful adaptation because it doesn't stray too far from the original, but also doesn't make it too much like the book. It updated the story very well. Movie adaptations can surpass the book it's based off of. The author of 101 Dalmatians even said herself that the Disney movie improved her story.

I love Jasmine! I do not think she is a spoiled brat, she is not stupid, whiny, or rude. She doesn't let anyone push her around. Just because she is rich and grew up in a palace does not make her a bad person, in fact she didn't want to be there. I feel like she could do a great job in running the country with Aladdin.

I just can't get into Descendants. It has things that are way too modern, and there's one thing that doesn't make sense. None of the villains are married, and most of them die at the end of their movies, so how could they have kids?

I love and miss Disney's classic storybook film openings like Pinocchio, The Jungle Book, Snow White, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, etc. They give it such a magical and "fairy tale" feel for me! :D