Disney Princess Unpopular Disney opinions (confessions)

viktoriya773 posted on Feb 10, 2014 at 11:53PM
Post your unpopular Disney opinion here. Express your opinion about not only DP but Disney in general. Please be respectful about each other's opinions and don't bash someone because of it. Say "I disagree/agree with you because..." I'm sure everyone is mature enough to handle it.

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sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas scarletunicorn said…
Maleficent x Chernabog is the best Maleficent ship out of them all. I never got the appeal of Maleficent x Hades and Maleficentt x Jafar. Jafar is pretty unromantic to me (aside from some nice graphics which pair him up with the evil queen), and Hades is better off in a twisted way with some of the heroines like Aurora and Amalthea or even Yzma. Maleficent x Horned King is nice too, but I think she'd dislike him the moment she sees how frail he is. That and imo he's much better fit with some of the heroines, someone beautiful and elegant like again, Aurora or Amalthea...(To keep that Death and the Maiden aesthetic).

...Wow, this is really stupid. But at least I got a chuckle out of it.
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MalloMar commented…
Awesome! I tend to ship Eris with these guys madami than Mal. Since Jafar had that weird lust thing for Jasmine, I can see Eris having an effect on him. Hmm, I kind of like that Hades/Yzma idea. :) sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas MalloMar said…
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I know, you've all heard it from me before...
I think Tarzan is a masterpiece. I can admit that there are flaws and even point them out, but I can't help but love every second of it.
It isn't a movie I watch much, but I did a few days ago, and like every other time, it's as if I'm seeing it for the first time.
I'm kind of obsessed with it (I'm even making fan art!) but for the sake of the club members' sanity, I'll do my best to keep my obsession outside of Fanpop. *Glances at my icon* Yeah.

In all honesty, I could write a long article describing my (strong and positive) opinion of the movie, highlighting what I love about the characters, music, art, relationships between the characters, character development, character design, darker elements, emotion, symbolism, concept art and ideas, humor...I probably will ending writing one, I just don't think I'll post it. Anyhow there is no doubt there were some incredibly talented and hardworking people behind the scenes.

Note: It's cool if you don't like the movie as much as I do. My apologies for going overboard and being a fan girl.
mhs1025 commented…
Wow. I haven't seen that movie since I was like 12. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
Aang_Lite commented…
Dude we're on a site named Fanpop. FAN-POP! We're all weirdly obsessive! I you do end up Pagsulat the artikulo please post it! Those type of opinion pieces are my absolute fave. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
disnerdtobe commented…
Tarzan is a great movie. It has agreeable and well-written character, a good and interesting story, etc. It's not my absolute personal paborito (the animation isn't my taste compared to the classics), but it's definitely an enjoyable and worthy movie! I can definitely see how you would pag-ibig the movie so much! It's great that you have so much pag-ibig for such a great movie. And I would absolutely pag-ibig to read your article. I like pagbaba positive opinions madami than negative ones haha. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas KataraLover said…
I think The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian was a fantastic movie! Yes, it made some changes to the book, but what translates well in a book doesn't always translate well into a movie. Like how in The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe they had Father Christmas say "Battles are ugly affairs" instead of "Battles are ugly with women in them" and not telling Lucy or Susan that they couldn't be in battle. I've been listening to the books on my audio CD's and I have to say that the book Prince Caspian is one of my least favorites of the books. I think the movie actually made a lot of improvements. Lucy is more active (she doesn't fight or anything, but she's more active than she was in the book), Peter and Susan are given story arcs that make sense to why they're too old for Narnia (YOU'RE NEVER TOO OLD FOR NARNIA! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER!), Caspian is more interesting (I do find him interesting in the other books he's in, just not this one), the villain while still dull is more human, the story is more focus, faith is tested, and we get to see the White Witch/Jadis again! I think it's a very successful adaptation because it doesn't stray too far from the original, but also doesn't make it too much like the book. It updated the story very well. Movie adaptations can surpass the book it's based off of. The author of 101 Dalmatians even said herself that the Disney movie improved her story.
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas TheMusicalMolls said…
I love Jasmine! I do not think she is a spoiled brat, she is not stupid, whiny, or rude. She doesn't let anyone push her around. Just because she is rich and grew up in a palace does not make her a bad person, in fact she didn't want to be there. I feel like she could do a great job in running the country with Aladdin.
Anii147 commented…
hasmin is my paborito too for the reasons stated. I don't understand how people complain about her, but ignore Ariel doing the same thing. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
AudreyFreak commented…
^Ariel tends to get some hate too but I agree. though yeah, she can be rude (look at how she treats her suitors and Aladdin while complaining about them judging HER without knowing her). It's OK to have flawed characters. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
disnerdtobe commented…
I agree! Also, Ariel does get a LOT of criticism for the same things, even madami so than Jasmine, I think. Like Audreyfreak said, it's ok to have some flawed characters as long as they're harmless, like Ariel and Jasmine. That's what makes them interesting. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas beautybeastfan2 said…
I just can't get into Descendants. It has things that are way too modern, and there's one thing that doesn't make sense. None of the villains are married, and most of them die at the end of their movies, so how could they have kids?
KataraLover commented…
In my opinion, Descendants is the WORST Disney movie I have EVER seen in my entire life. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
beautybeastfan2 commented…
Yeah, I haven't seen it either. And don't want to sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
disnerdtobe commented…
^ yeah teens basically mock at the idea of Disney. which is sad because disney is like the best film studio and i think most entertainment is "stupid" in comparison. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas laylastepford said…
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I love and miss Disney's classic storybook film openings like Pinocchio, The Jungle Book, Snow White, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, etc. They give it such a magical and "fairy tale" feel for me! :D
 I pag-ibig and miss Disney's classic storybook film openings like Pinocchio, The Jungle Book, Snow White,
Winternacht commented…
I agree! I pag-ibig those :) sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
MalloMar commented…
They're so gorgeous. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
PrincessAyeka12 commented…
I agree! I pag-ibig them too. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
disnerdtobe commented…
Totally agree, I wish they would do them again. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas mhs1025 said…
This just dawned on me. Aside from Anna and Elsa, what if we had 2 DP's who were sisters, but here's the catch-what if they were TWINS? What do y'all think about that? Personally, I think it'd be pretty cool.
scarletunicorn commented…
People would be very confused, I think. That is, the same people who think Aurora's name is "Sleeping Beauty". sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
mhs1025 commented…
^ That IS if they were identical. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas MalloMar said…
I think Belle and Cinderella are somewhat similar in personality, but Cinderella is a favorite DP of mine and Belle is one of my least favorites.
anukriti2409 commented…
i know how it feels! Ariel and Merida are alike when you think of it, but they are at my opposite ends of the listahan sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
AudreyFreak commented…
same here. I also see some of Aurora's imagination in Belle though Aurora and Sinderella are high while Belle's always been low for some reason. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas KataraLover said…
Ariel was NOT a victim of abuse! I hate when Ariel is demonized, but I also hate when people demonize King Triton. He wasn't sexist towards her or really mean, he acted like a real parent. I saw nothing about him that was sexist. He doesn't hit her, insult her, or anything of any kind of abuse. He just wanted to protect his daughter because he loves her. One of the reasons I love The Little Mermaid so much is because it shows that, while both Ariel and Triton have different views, both also have good intentions, but go about it the wrong way. Triton wants to protect his daughter but does drive her away and let his temper get the best of him. Ariel wants to prove that not all humans are evil and to be part of their world, but no one was forcing her to go to Ursula. They were both at fault with the events that happened in the movie, but in the end, they do end up understanding each other. There is a lot of obvious love between them and they do truly care about each other. It drives me nuts how people find one to basically be an evil monster and yet excuse the other one as guiltless.
anukriti2409 commented…
I completely agree. Both were equally at fault sa pamamagitan ng thinking only they are right. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
wavesurf commented…
I have to politely disgree with you. I would have felt better about King Triton if he had tried to listen to his daughter. Ariel literally TRIES to explain to her dad multiple times, about humans, about outcasts, about potential "friends" that are to be made. Triton sometimes listens to her ( in the TV show), but he always falls back on his own xenophobia of everything, in particular-- humans. For every argument Ariel makes, Triton agrees with her for a little while...and then regresses back to believing as he did before. I guess, what made me pull the plug on Triton was his continued destruction of all of the items in his daughter's grotto, despite Ariel's loud and tearful pleas for mercy. Triton showed no mercy, and he let his anger rule him ( similar to the way Tiana treats Ray). Although Triton does redeem himself at the end of the movie, I still find him a very authoritarian "my way or the highway" parent. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
disnerdtobe commented…
Well said, KL! I agree with you. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas PrincessAyeka12 said…
I don't care about Pocahontas. I don't care about her history. I don't remember learning about her in school. Not surprising though, the last time I took history lessons in a school setting was 17 years ago. And since then I've been getting my history lessons from movies, books I'm interested in and tv dramas. I find history documentaries a bore unless it's apart of the special features from a movie. I can't watch Pocahontas anymore. I tried to watch it recently and turned it off after twenty minutes. The songs are great and the sunset, colours of the wind, rainbows and mists are beautiful visuals. But otherwise the story is boring. Pocahontas is dull, although I will admit that her hair is beautiful even if the texture is unrealistic and as thin as paper. Pocahontas is clearly a copy of Ariel but perhaps a little bit more mature or strong. I love Ariel so much more! Avatar the movie is like a crossover of Pocahontas, Fern Gully and more. The romance, battle over the land and spirituality is superior to Pocahontas. Fern Gully is second best in my opinion. Making Pocahontas last and the weakest.

Warning: Sensitive Person alert! Please don't flame me!
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MalloMar commented…
I don't completely agree. I like the movie Pocahontas, but as everyone knows, it's much different from the true history. I do like Ferngully madami then the average animation fan, and I think I prefer it to Pocahontas (which I enjoy). sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
laylastepford commented…
^ My sentiments exactly. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
AudreyFreak commented…
I don't think she's a copy. Ariel cares madami about her own desires and values rather than just following tradition and sticking to her own people. Poca is interested in others but ultimately decides staying with her own people is madami important. Poca is not at all determined and confident like Ariel and Ariel is madami impulsive and outgoing. they do have a lot in common, but they also have many differences. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas scarletunicorn said…
I'm getting tired of seeing Star Wars and Marvel everywhere...Gah. It's specially telling since i'm not that big a fan of Star Wars, and I hate the MCU (but i like the older Marvel comics, strangely enough).
wavesurf commented…
^This is going to sound awkward...but ever since George Lucas gave bituin Wars to Disney, Disney has been milking that franchise for all its worth, too ( the same way they did Frozen). So, yeah, the pattern of excessive merchandizing is present in both. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas hirohamada said…
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I love Merida despite her fiery personality and being bad to her mother. She feels sorry in the end and learns from her mistake and misunderstanding which makes her very realistic. Her explosiveness and independence seem very different from the rest of the princesses. In fact, I adore her archery skill and I have a thing for Medieval story.
anukriti2409 commented…
I pag-ibig Merida too! I pag-ibig her self confidence and her dedication to get what she want but not at the cost of her family sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
UnholyNoise commented…
Merida's my second-favorite DP, I pag-ibig how realistic she is, and I'm a huge tagahanga of her design. It took me a long time to separate my feelings about bravo (which could have been so much better) from my feelings about Merida. But now that I have, I find I appreciate her a lot more. :) sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas pocalan said…
Rapunzel is overrated
Belle is the best heroine of the original 6
hirohamada commented…
I agree with you. Rapunzel is definitely overrated, and Belle is my paborito among the oldest 6 princesses. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
anukriti2409 commented…
dont agree that Rapunzel is overrated. Belle is my paborito too though. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
wavesurf commented…
^Ariel is not just impulsive. She is brave, too. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas WinterSpirit809 said…
I really get annoyed at everyone making a big deal with movies without poc. Tumblr mainly, but I can't stand it. Call me a racist, but getting upset when white people makes up the main cast is really annoying. It's kind of like the Princess and the Frog thing. Actually when people make a big deal over color at all in Disney movies or anywhere is really annoying. Black, white, Asian or Hispano. I get representation and all but Disney has had plenty of representation with and without color. Big Hero 6 and Mulan are good examples of that! Disney is not going to include poc in every movie, and sometimes they don't even include white people (Mulan anyone?). But you can't claim Disney is being "racist" for this.

I'm not trying to sound racist because I know many people will hate me for this. I don't know if this is an "unpopular" opinion but it's not addressed as often as it should be. Maybe people are afraid, because so am I to hit the post button, but here's my unpopular opinion.
anukriti2409 commented…
i agree with you 100%. Being an Indian, i feel it is stupid to obsess so much over color of DPs. It should be foremost about the story and character being fit into it, rather than vice versa. Disney shouldn't owe anyone any representation, it is about fairytales and not about color or race of the DP sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
MalloMar commented…
And while I stand sa pamamagitan ng what I said, I do agree with AangLite, that white shouldn't be the 'default' race in these movies. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
AudreyFreak commented…
agreed. personality and moral of the story first, culture second, race last for me. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas scarletunicorn said…
I'm not looking forward to Zootopia. i feel the subject has been done to death, and i also feel it's very childish and dunno, it seems lately that most 3D films seem to be done mostly for the younger audiences. Which isn't bad, but it's just not my thing.
AangLite commented…
My only problem is that I feel like the trailer gave away the entire plot of the movie. It looks like just a normal coming of age story with a character proving she's madami than she appears. You're right it is a bit rehashed. I do think the original teaser with the sloths was hilarious and very clever, and I'll probably watch the movie just for funny moments like that. It seems like most adults i talk to have the same opinion too. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
MalloMar commented…
Somewhat agree. It does looks sort of unoriginal as AangLite said. Dang, I liked those sloths though! sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
hirohamada commented…
Yeah, I'm not excited about Zootopia either. Kinda agree with you sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
disnerdtobe commented…
Yeah I don't pag-ibig Zootopia as much as other Disney movies. It's good, but it's kinda preachy and I prefer pelikula that aren't so bent on hammering their messages. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas scarletunicorn said…
This will slightly contradict the above post, but I have to say it- i love seeing humanized versions of Disney/Pixar characters! Often the designs can be really creative, and I love especially the designs that have a little more thought put into them with the context and all (aka Lion King characters depicted as african tribe members, Gill from Finding Nemo missing an arm...) I dunno I think it's neat and much cooler than gender bending.
disnerdtobe commented…
I agree! pag-ibig seeing the "human bending". They're cool. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas scarletunicorn said…
I have an interesting history with Merida...So, back when I first saw Brave, in 2012, I really liked her, but back then I was kinda edgy and behaved like a typical internet teen with my angst and glorification of bad attitude and "strong female characters". I also was into Korra and the Avengers- I was consuming new media like mad. I liked Brave for its "strong female characters" and assumed everyone who disliked it was a misogynist (yeah, I was one of THOSE girls *shudder*). My 2012 was pretty much all that way (it was a turbulent year).

I grew up massively in 2013, and most of my interests changed. I began consuming less new media and began disliking things I previously liked. Somebody disliking a female character in my eyes wasn't a misogynist anymore (unless they disliked her for TRULY misogynistic reasons, but simply disliking her wasn't an option). My attitude massively changed and I began to dislike Brave, Merida and characters like her. I thought of her to be a selfish brat and I could not understand how many girls saw her as an empowering role model, for then I saw her as a selfish brat who poisoned her mother just because of a temper tantrum.

But then, in 2014...My opinions massively changed. Alright, I was still conservative and still held some of the same thoughts as in 2013 (so no more edgy teen behavior or glorification of Strong Mary Sues from me), but my thoughts about Brave change. I saw the film again, and while Merida's flaws were noticeable, her good parts also appeared more. Her funny and adventurous side, and the fact that she grows and changes during her story. She felt much more charismatic and realistic in my eyes. She quickly became my favorite princess afterwards.

So...That's much of it. I like my female characters varied, but flawed. And it's really surprising how much your opinion on a character changes when you change the way you think.
AangLite commented…
I've alawys seen Merida as the wisest of the DP bunch. No one else does so much wrong, and then does so much else to fix her mistakes. I agree, there's definitely a sense of realness to her that i just adore. I'm glad to see how far you've come when it comes to this character :) sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
UnholyNoise commented…
I've sinabi it before - and I guess this is an unpopular opinion in itself - but the Revival has done the best job at really humanizing its female leads, especially Merida. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
anukriti2409 commented…
I have always loved Merida for her "realistic" kind of character - making mistakes, accepting and learning from them is a big part of our lives. So that makes me really see her as someone i'd know (though i'm and was like her in many ways). I pag-ibig her adventurous and free-spirited side, add to it her rebellion and her quick wit, and i just pag-ibig her even more. I'd say she's the most intelligent DP for me. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas scarletunicorn said…
Mowgli is so cute!

Seriously, he might be my favorite Disney kid after Hiro.
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas TheMusicalMolls said…
I think Rapunzel's singing voice is really pretty. It might not be the general, powerhouse, musical theater type voice that most other princesses have, but it has a nice, modern sound to it and I just really like it! (and this is coming from a hardcore theater girl, so I'm not biased!)
AangLite commented…
I totally agree! A lot of people don't like the breathy sound of her voice, but I find it very charming. It sounds less sophisticated like Belle and Aurora, and madami childlike. And I think it really helps embody who Rapunzel is before she leaves the tower. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
MalloMar commented…
It's very pretty, and I'd recognize Mandy's voice anywhere. :) sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
UnholyNoise commented…
I actually think her voice is the least awful of the moderns (minus Tiana of course!) - I never really cared for Kristen Bell, and Idina Menzel's voice in Let It Go is excruciating. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
hirohamada commented…
Sorry, but i disagree. to me, her pag-awit voice is annoying because it's too whisper-y and weak. her pag-awit voice doesn't suit rapunzel's personality. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas TheMusicalMolls said…
I don't actually like Cinderella's iconic ballgown that much. It's a really weird design to me, and that choker and headband are just strange. It looks pretty nice in the movie, but looking closely I find that it's not that beautiful.
scarletunicorn commented…
I personally never got the appeal of the overgrown peplums that she had at the sides. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
MalloMar commented…
^That's the only thing I dislike about the dress. It does look much better in motion than in a frame. I think it's beautiful, and I like the choker and headband. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
hirohamada commented…
When I was younger I also dislike Cinderella's gown, especially her round sleeves. I also found her headband is weird. But now as I grow older, I've started to fall in pag-ibig with that gown, I like the sparkles and glitters on her dress sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas hirohamada said…
zzz
Before I came to disney princess club on fanpop, I never really thought of my favorite DP list. I only have some princesses I love and some princesses I don't love. It's very difficult for me to make an ordered list and until now, I haven't figured out my favorite DP list.
MalloMar commented…
I completely understand that one. I can't put a listahan in exact order. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
audreygrace412 commented…
Same here! sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
disnerdtobe commented…
Same. I pag-ibig al the princesses so much, it's so hard to choose! sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas KataraLover said…
I don't think Merida is all that attractive. I know a lot of people will say that's not unpopular, but it seems to be pretty popular here on Fanpop that's beautiful. Her hair is GORGEOUS and she has the most beautiful hair out of all the Disney Princesses in my opinion, plus she has a good and realistic body, but that's it. She's literally baby-faced, I don't mean baby-face as in young looking, I mean her face actually looks like it belongs to a 2-6-month-old baby. She's cute, but she's nothing special looking and definitely the least attractive of all the Disney Princesses. She may look unique but that doesn't mean she's beautiful just because she doesn't look like the typical beautiful girl. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but she looks like a baby that had it's face attached a grown up body. If it wasn't for her hair I don't think people would find her very attractive, I mean, just look at this picture of her I screencaped of her when the animators were constructing her.
 I don't think Merida is all that attractive. I know a lot of people will say that's not unpopular, bu
wavesurf commented…
I knew that bravo won the Oscar in 2012, not because it was an entirely great movie ( it is not), nor because Merida is attractive. It won PIXAR an Oscar because of Merida's hair--- literally, that was the real reason the movie won over Wreck It Ralph. And I still think to this araw that Wreck-It Ralph is the better movie, and is far better than watching Merida act a fool and get her comeuppance. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
UnholyNoise commented…
Merida is cute, even with all the hair chopped off. I can't imagine too many of the conventionally attractive ladies being able to rock the bald look, either. bravo wasn't the greatest movie - it probabaly would have been a lot better if Pixar hadn't switched directors halfway through. But it didn't win just because of Merida's hair, that's ridiculous. If anything, it's because of the pro-Pixar bias at the academy. They also have a habit of picking a movie based on what it's trying to say rather than how well the movie says it. Basically giving bravo credit for trying something different, even if it wasn't actually a better movie. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
incisron commented…
Yes, I like her fiery, floating, voluminous hair, but she's ugly as heck otherwise. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas KataraLover said…
I prefer the cookie-cutter look to the unconventional look. I know there have been people saying this isn't unpopular because they've been complaining about the opposite, but that's what makes me see this as unpopular here on Fanpop. Just because someone is unique looking it doesn't mean they're beautiful. I mean, it's one thing to make a character look different and unique, but it's another to go so extreme that they just look weird. I'd MUCH rather look at Ariel than I would Merida! I'd MUCH rather look at Tiana than I would Megara! I'd MUCH rather look at Belle than I would Jane! I'd MUCH rather look at Pocahontas than I would Nani! I'd go on with more examples but I'd just be beating a dead horse. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I'm not trying to call anyone out or anything, but it seems like people are just tired of the typical beauty look and just want different looks, which is fine, but don't shame traditional beauties.
wavesurf commented…
Beauty is defiitely in the eye of the beholder. Yes, to me, Merida, Tiana, and Belle all look homely susunod to Aurora and Esmeralda. But if people pag-ibig their favorites, they are kind of loathe to say that they are unattractive. It is a sort of bias that comes out with liking something. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
audreygrace412 commented…
I agree with your opinion, on multiple levels. Especially when people claim some characters are "unrealistic". Just because not all women look like Adriana Lima or Gisele Bündchen doesn't make them "nonexistant". sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
incisron commented…
I agree. I hate the designs of characters like Merida and Moana. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas wavesurf said…
I'm watching Brave again. I'd forgotten how much this movie put me on edge. Turns out, this is not exactly a fun movie for me, either. It is very taxing to watch, actually. I still identify with Elinor a bit more than I do with Merida. Merida acts sooooo short-sighted. Merida just has this insufferable "I'm-always-irritable" complex. Merida flounces about being rebellious, headstrong, excessively rude, and prone to schadenfreude ( her laughing at the falcon pecking at her father’s scalp is horrid, and so is the fact that she rips her mother’s tapestry in a fit of anger)… Merida has zero self-control. That is not a role model. I like her, but I don’t love her, because it’s deceptively simple. Merida is unkind. I could not be friends with Merida in real life, and neither could Mulan. I just realized while watching Brave, again, that I have a lot of Mulan's sensibilities ( and it matters to me that I honor my own parents and their wishes), and those are traits that are anathema to Merida. Merida would just glare at me for being obedient, disrespect me for showing respect to others like Mulan does, and would make fun of me just for the heck of it. I’ve met people in real life who definitely had Merida’s personality spot on. They weren’t “nice” people, and they usually just picked on me because it was a way to amuse themselves.
incisron commented…
I agree. I thought it was weird how Mulan and Merida get compared. I also found it interesting how gentle, shy and nice Mulan was compared to other "independent" characters like hasmin and Merida, who would be yelling at the patriarchy and kicking a## to prove themselves, but maybe its because of the politics behind the movie Mulan. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
wavesurf commented…
^Ah. Yeah. I'd forgotten, but there was a whole lot of yelling in bravo ( between mother and daughter over the course of the movie), and only one yelling episode in the entire father-daughter relationship in Mulan. I dunno. I don't like it when people start yelling at each other. I think it "drives me away" from the movie. Chinese culture is strict, though, so I do gather that much from the Mulan movie. But I think Disney now equates yelling/ rebelling as making the characterization of "a strong princess." That's not what a strong princess is. Achievement makes a strong princess. Unfortunately, it makes the modern era girls collectively look like hot-headed women, who just spend most of their available time griping, yelling, and being angry at others. And who wants to hang out with an angry person? Definitely not me. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas UnholyNoise said…
Yeah sorry, but the amount of time a character spends on screen has almost nothing to do with how developed, interesting, or important they are to a movie. You could be around for a few scenes and have a ton of influence on how things turn out or you could eat up lots of screen time but the movie wouldn't be changed much if you weren't in it.

I'm thinking of Aurora here, who gets dumped on a lot because she isn't around much, but she drives so much of the plot. And she does have distinctive character traits, both positive and negative; she's not a blank slate at all. Not every aspect of a character's personality has to be spelled out.
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wavesurf commented…
^Agreed. Aurora is a "big fixture" in the fairytale of Sleeping Beauty. Even in the less "savory" versions of the tale, she is the focus of the tale...so dismissing her from the plot kind of ruins the whole point of the story, yeah? sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
AudreyFreak commented…
thank you. that bothers me (especially since, like I've sinabi before, nobody craps on Elsa for that same reason). if anything it's impressive we see as much as we do of her personality from that short time. I mean, look at Fantasia and Fantasia 2000: you can very easily see each character's personality, and in addition to having short screen time, they don't even speak. if people think you need a lot of screen time to be interesting or have personality traits, they must not know how personalities work. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
audreygrace412 commented…
I agree. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas scarletunicorn said…
I don't get what's with everyone always hating on Brave. I admit there was a time when I didn't like it, but the way some people exaggerate the hatred they have for the movie...As if the movie killed their dog or something. "THE WORST PIXAR MOVIE!!!" "THE WORST DISNEY MOVIE!!" It is flawed and a little clunky at times but not really "rage-inducing" imo. Normally this type of hatred would be given to something like Pocahontas or the like.
wavesurf commented…
Uh. I avoid Disney Confessions. I've read some of them. Nasty stuff.... sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
mhs1025 commented…
THANK YOU for speakin' my language! I also hate why DP mga manliligaw hate on Merida because she's Pixar. That irritates the living s**t out of me! sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas scarletunicorn said…
TBH this page is much more relaxing and i like saying my confessions here. On places like Disneyconfessions it's always either depressing personal shit or people raging hard for liking this princess, not liking this princess, being a bigot just cause you don't like this one movie, etc etc.

At least here we can discuss things like themes and characters in a more rationalized manner, at least i often think so. Dunno i'm just tired of the name-calling and assumption and those depressing way too personal stories.
wavesurf commented…
People did the same thing on IMDB.com. If you didn't like Frozen-- they ripped you apart verbally. Just avoid the sites that cater to those types. Or spend madami time off of the internet.* * I do this a lot. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
AudreyFreak commented…
^^ugh, yes. The nagyelo fans (mainly Elsa fans) were crazy. you can't criticize nagyelo unless it's to blame Anna for everything that went wrong. and I agree about WDC. that place has some hidden gems, but is otherwise pretty toxic. then you have WDCRage... sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas KataraLover said…
I think The Hunchback of Notre Dame is a movie that is both perfectly-rated and underrated at the same time. What do I mean by this? Well, it's clear that it has A LOT of fans and those fans are HARDCORE! I hear people say it's underrated so much and for a long time I didn't know why, since it has such a MASSIVE and passionate fanbase. But recently I do understand why it's considered underrated. It's not that it's underrated with audiences, it's that it's underrated in merchandise and the media. I guess since it was controversial when it came out that Disney has kept the movie out of the spotlight, especially now that it's being hogged by the awful movie Frozen. When you think about it there really aren't a lot of merchandise that's for The Hunchback of Notre Dame. You see merchandise for The Little Mermaid, Cinderella, Beauty and The Beast, Aladdin, The Lion King, and ESPECIALLY Frozen. But when was the last time you saw merchandise for The Hunchback of Notre Dame? I don't even recall there being anything for it at Disney World. So it actually is underrated because Disney is refusing to advertise it, just like how they refuse to stop with Frozen, but I've ranted enough about that.
wavesurf commented…
^Hunchback of Notre Dame mechandise is especially hard to find. No doubt about it. I mean, I was able to find an Esmeralda snow globe and an Esmeralda figurine and stamper thingy, but that movie doesn't have a lot. There's five snowglobes ( one especially rare European version), some assorted music boxes and ornaments, and a few plastic dolls/puppets. But Disney, like you said, does not mag-anunsiyo them at all, anymore. I guess, I'm lucky to get what I did get, and whatever I am able to find is a plus. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
audreygrace412 commented…
It used to be advertised madami and Esmeralda was even in the DP line up. It's hard to find solid evidence of what really happened online but consensus seems to be that parents felt the movie and/or characters and themes within were too inappropriate for the family audience that Disney is normally geared too. I THINK there is madami Hunchback of Notre Dame references at Disney Paris but I'm speculating on this last point. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
incisron commented…
Maybe its unpopular because it's not kid friendly. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas scarletunicorn said…
A Kingdom Hearts animated series/anime would have been pretty awesome imo. Stuff would be condensed and easier to understand than the games and it could take cues of humor and good characterization from the manga. It would even get more people into the games.

IDK seems like a wasted opportunity for Disney to not have made that show to its fullest (they originally planned on making the series, but desisted with the idea since they didn't wanna contradict the canon of the games). I guess, since the games already work like a show/movie there's no point in a series, still...
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MalloMar commented…
I think it'd work well as a show. Great series, can be a bit complex (So *insert character's name* was really a heartless all along, *insert character's name* wasn't really dead, etc.) Anyway, one of my paborito game series nonetheless and I'd enjoy an animated series. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
scarletunicorn commented…
^Goodness, yes, the series could work great as a ipakita (not movie since stuff would be incredibly condensed and the series is so complex and confusing it'd be a nightmare of a movie to make out of). But I see potential for a series, the series are likable and interesting and the concept is just so cool. At least Disney should just pay madami attention to it, like giving it madami appreciation at the stores or the parks...I feel like the Kingdom Hearts aspect of Disney is often left to the side, like ignored or its own thing...And that's not fair. They're still Disney characters and deserve pag-ibig too. I'd pag-ibig to see a Sora face character at the parks, or a Princess Kairi doll...C'me on Disney the fandom's give enough give 'em a bone sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
scarletunicorn commented…
And I've just been told that they planned to have the jungle Book in the animated series!!! Goodness i'm so disappointed, once again that film's been shafted to the side...Then again i wonder if it would've been cool, since later Jungle Book stuff is kinda mediocre (Tailspin, Jungle Cubs, the sequel...) I'm kinda hoping the remake is good at least sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas mhs1025 said…
I just made a wall post similar to this, but I feel the need to say it in here, too-when in the hell is Disney EVER gonna get creative again?!? I'm getting kinda tired of them remaking movies they've already made. (A majority of 'em are already successes!) No offense to the people who LIKE the remakes that have already come out, but I just want to see Disney's creative side again.
wavesurf commented…
^^Yup. With the kind of mass hysteria and the divisiveness in the fanbase that nagyelo caused...a whole LOT is riding on Moana... sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
scarletunicorn commented…
Wreck It Ralph, Big Hero 6, Frozen, Zootopia, Moana...Not to mention stuff like Tomorrowland or into the Woods. Disney is doing, and they're probably at their most creative peak since the 90s... sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
mhs1025 commented…
^ Gotcha. And to ScarletUnicorn-I forgot about Tomorrowland. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas KataraLover said…
Whenever I've done polls about comparing a Disney Princess to a modern singer or where they would rank on their best Disney Princess singing voice list, I've always heard "They're too modern." So freaking what? If you don't like their voices for being "too modern" why aren't you complaining about Snow White or Cinderella having voices that are too old fashioned? Yes, I know there are people who think Snow White's voice is too high, but I've seen several defend her saying that was the style back then. So Snow White gets the excuse to her voice is dated because of the style back then, but modern singers are called "too modern?" Just because something is modern doesn't make it bad or not as good as older generations. If the voice isn't your personal taste, that's fine, but saying it's "too modern" just annoys me to no end, especially if you're comparing them to old fashioned voiced that are dated. No offense to anyone.
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas TheMusicalMolls said…
I wish people would stop hating on Tiana just because she's serious about her work. When people are really committed to what they love, they want to work really hard on it. She especially had to work hard on her restaurant because she was an African American woman living in that time, so she faced some discrimination. Yes, Tiana can be a little rude, but every character has flaws. She doesn't need to be hated on for being serious about her work.
wavesurf commented…
^I don't hate her. I hate her "personality" which is different from her ambition. You can be ambitious and achieve your personal life-long goals without being snide, condescending, and rude to other people while doing it. And Tiana is ambitious, but so is Mulan ( to become the best soldier she can be). But you'll notice that Mulan isn't particularly rude or mean to Chien-Po, Ling, Yao and the rest. She does not say something nasty to them about their hopes and goals. Tiana issues short derogatory quips at other people about their dreams and hopes. That's a bad quality, and it gets on my nerves amazingly fast. If you want to be such a nitpick, Tiana, go somewhere else please. That's why I dislike Tiana. I don't dislike Tiana for her ambition. Ambition and being hard-working are fine qualities. Being nagging, condescending, and hypercritical of other people is an enormous turn-off. That's why I dislike her. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
TheMusicalMolls commented…
She is a little rude at times, but I have to say I feel her pain. How would you feel if some snobby, annoying dude (in frog form) told you that you would get your heart's desire if you kissed him (ew), and when you did, you turned into a frog yourself and literally had to fight for your survival and take a long journey to find a way to get back, if any? And the whole time you're accompanied sa pamamagitan ng an annoying, lazy bum who barely helps you. I don't blame her for being a little snippy toward him. Other than that, when does she act "snide, condescending, and rude" or issue "short derogatory quips at other people about their dreams and hopes"? I respect your opinion, but I'm not sure we see eye-to-eye on it. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
wavesurf commented…
Copied from pader discussion: Tiana is hypercritical of her friends, and negative when it comes to passing judgement on their dreams. Nuff said. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas scarletunicorn said…
I'm so excited for the Jungle Book remake...At first I was doubting since Disney screwed big time with Alice and Sleeping Beauty, and I didn't want another fave Disney film get mistreated by the remake...But based on the trailer it looks great! I hope it's a big success...I want to be flooded with JB merchandise and appreciation in the fandom. :)
wavesurf commented…
^I never was a big JB fan, but I never developed a real "stance" on the movie either. So, this is me saying I will look at this remake with "fresh eyes." I happened to enjoy Alice in Wonderland ( Tim Burton's), and I did enjoy Maleficent's take on SB, and LOVED Sinderella 2015. So...I'm not opposed to this. Not exactly. I have a Baloo and Mowgli snowglobe, anyway. ;) sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
KataraLover commented…
I was never a huge tagahanga of The Jungle Book. I just find it to be really bland, lacks development, and the protagonist is boring as hell. It's strange because I usually like little kid characters, but Mowgli is just so uninteresting. Shanti sing my paborito song in the movie, though she's dull and I find her to be MUCH better in the sequel (though that movie isn't very good). But it is a good movie because I like the characters (except for Mowgli and Shanti) and the songs. I just wish it was darker like the book and followed the book madami closely. But I hear the live-action remake is going to have aspects of both the movie and the book because one director grew up with the movie and the other grew up with the book. I personally am looking pasulong to the live-action remake and think it'll be amazing. I know I'm gonna like it madami than the original. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
ItIsOlivia commented…
I'm feeling a lot of shade being, for lack of a better term, thrown. But anyway I'm looking pasulong to Jungle book too, even though I never really am for live action remakes, besides the anouncment for Mulan's re-make, but the trailers got me hype. Also when you sinabi JB I thought of Justin Beiber and I was just like "NO NO NO NO." XD I gotta start pagbaba things better. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas wavesurf said…
Eh. When people say the following names of each princess, these descriptions come to mind...exclusively based on the personalities of each princess during their screentime. So, at the mere mention of their names, I can't help but draw these conclusions.


When people say Snow White, I think...the bossy and motherly type.

When people say Cinderella, I think...the hard-working, long-suffering, and kind one.

When people say Aurora, I think...the dreamy, beautiful, sleepy girl.

When people say Ariel, I think..the bubbly, impulsive, and sweet-natured mermaid.

When people say Belle, I think...the head-in-the-clouds, small-town snob, who has a big mouth.

When people say Jasmine, I think...the spitfire with a generous side.

When people say Pocahontas, I think...the ambivalent and wistful one.

When people say Mulan, I think...the dedicated, brave, and sacrificial girl.

When people say Tiana, I think...the rude, meddlesome nag.

When people say Rapunzel, I think...the sunny, social-butterfly.

When people say Merida, I think...the courageous but conniving bully.

When people say Anna, I think...the silly, winging-it, younger sister.

When people say Elsa, I think...the reclusive, terror-stricken, older sister.
MomoMyGogo commented…
These kind of posts don't belong on this forum. This is the unpopular opinions forum, yet nothing you sinabi about any of these princesses necessarily fit the paglalarawan of unpopular. You're really just trying to stretch this forums purpose as much as you can so that you have an excuse to put your favorites on a pedestal and make your least favorites look like terrible people. Your post legitimately has no purpose other than to present a one-sided straw-man opinions. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
wavesurf commented…
^And your post is meant to legitimately discredit my views...which are not the nakakita shared sa pamamagitan ng lots of people on this club--which is why I put this post in the unpopular opinions slot in the first place! To get to the meat of fhe matter, YOU'RE UPSET at my participation in this club, so you feel the need to tell me that I "stretch the purpose of things," and "present one-sided straw-man opinions" and whatnot. STRANGE, that you've NEVER posted anywhere else, under ANYBODY else's dissenting opinions. I think your response post proves that I'm your target, and you're the one with the problem, not me. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
coolsinger198 commented…
Everyone has the right to their own opinion. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas ItIsOlivia said…
Belle's looks were more disappointing to me than her prince's. I mean he's called beast, but she's called beauty and I just don't see it. Then again my prettiest is Merida, but I still like conventional beauties like Cinderella, Tiana, and Rapunzel.
incisron commented…
I agree. Belle wasn't as beautiful as she could have been. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
wavesurf commented…
Okay, I do agree with you, here. I've always found Belle really "plain" in the looks department, (which totally skewed some of my perception of the movie btw). To this day, I still can't figure out why the townspeople were fawning over her looks. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas WinterSpirit809 said…
Although I love her as a character, I don't see Ariel as gorgeous. I just think her hair is too bright and looks the least real of the DP's hair, her forehead is HUGE...but she is beautiful on the inside.
wavesurf commented…
Looks really don't rate highly on my personal score for a DP. I rate a character or DP higher if she is a nice person to be around, cracks jokes, laughs, is empathetic, is not overly critical, etc. Physical looks deteriorate, and beauty can differ in the eyes of the beholder. I want attributes, stuff personalities are made of.. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
WinterSpirit809 commented…
Yeah I pag-ibig Ariel but I just don't find her pretty, but my most ugliest princess is within my tuktok 5 lol:) sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
disnerdtobe commented…
I agree with everything you said, except about the hair color. I like Ariel's personality but not her look. Funnily enough, my paborito personalities (Anna and Elsa) are the most plain-looking to me, while my least paborito princess is gorgeous but I don't pag-ibig her personality as much. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas WinterSpirit809 said…
I'm in the middle of the whole Frozen thing. I love Frozen, but the fans are so rude. They can't admit that Frozen has flaws, they have a hard time grasping the concept that NOT EVERYONE LIKES FROZEN, and they get hurt when people stand up to them. The haters, however aren't that much better there are haters who makes fun of people who likes Frozen. They claim they're "childish" and are stupid for liking Frozen and when someone says they prefer Frozen over another movie, they make a big deal out of it. Like, we know you hate Frozen but no need to rub it in our faces. People who hate Frozen should let people like Frozen and fans should let people hate Frozen. It's called having an opinion people! You can have one and express it freely without name calling and telling people to kill themselves (people take that seriously). I swear the Frozen fandom is like the American presidential election elections sometimes...just less political..sometimes.
wavesurf commented…
Just avoid the "base" associated with Frozen, be it the fans or the haters. Both sides are nasty and up to no good. Trying to reason with the unreasonable types will only make you cringe, rub you the wrong way, and drive you crazy. Take it from someone who agrees with you *and knows.* But that's coming from three plus years of experience and counting... *sighs* sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
WinterSpirit809 commented…
^Yeah. I'm kind of apart of the fandom but I'm picky where. On Fanpop it's nowhere near as bad, but on YouTube (because it's YouTube) I'll watch bidyo but I won't bother looking at the comments (I like to do this because it's actually interesting). But thanks for the advice;) sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas mhs1025 said…
I saw Inside Out for the first time on Friday. I've gotta say-it sorta wasn't what I was expecting it to be. One emotion was basically in control of a little girl's life from the time she was born. Yes, I get Joy only wanted Riley to be happy, but she just put all the other emotions on the sidelines, especially Sadness. Anger, Fear, and Disgust only got to work the "control panel", like, how many times, 3? Plus, whenever Sadness would touch a memory, even by accident, I felt like she got looked down on. However, at the end, I liked how Joy changed her ways and let everybody else take control with her. It's a great movie, I like the idea, but there ARE some flaws. But hey, which movie DOESN'T have flaws? (THIS IS JUST MY OPINION.)
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sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas KataraLover said…
I think that Anastasia Tremaine is more beautiful than Merida. Neither one is a conventional beauty, but I think Anastasia has the much better face. Her facial structure is better shaped, she doesn't have the face of a 6-month-old baby, she has better lips, and a MUCH more beautiful smile. Merida is cute, but that's all. She's so baby faced that her head looks like it belongs on an actual baby. Anastasia isn't the prettiest flower in the garden, but she is beautiful in an unconventional way. If it wasn't for her nose and her lines on her face she could be beautiful in a conventional way.
 I think that Anastasia Tremaine is madami beautiful than Merida. Neither one is a conventional beauty,
ItIsOlivia commented…
I think she has a better shaped face, but pangkalahatang I think Merida is so much prettier. Anastasia has stringy, but plump hair, low lips with face wrinkles, a rounded off nose, and Christopher Robin eyes (basically black dots in white circles), then she even has bags under those. Merida has a really round face, but that's really the only thing I dislike about the way she looks. Merida has pretty pili shaped eyes, with thin faint eyelashes and a heart-melty sky blue eyes! <3 Makes my puso flutter~ Then she has a smooth face with no wrinkles and cute freckles, and I absolutely pag-ibig her naturally peachy thin lips. And do I really have to gawk about her hair? To me Anastasia is so below Merida on the beauty scale, it's funny. I do agree that Merida's face is way too round >_< and if she swapped face shapes with Anastasia I'm sure she'd be even prettier. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
ItIsOlivia commented…
But as they say beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, but Meirda is like a 10/10 and Anastasia is like a 3/10, but that's just me. They're both darling feisty red-heads tho. :3 sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
UnholyNoise commented…
^ Right??? I was trying to come up with a better way to explain, and I guess "natural" and "down to earth" are good ways to describe Merida's design. She was deliberately toned down from the sexy/beautiful/adult look most DPs have. Partly because her story was supposed to be a subversion, and just in general it seems like Brenda Chapman prefers to go that route with her main female characters (Miriam in The Prince of Egypt, Spring Sprite in the newer Fantasia - both of whom have been noted for the similarities to Merida's disensyo at some point.) sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas incisron said…
I wish Anna had been nicer to Kristoff and that they'd kissed passionately immediately after the thawing without Kristoff having to ask.
UnholyNoise commented…
Kristoff was such a jerk though?? Didn't he mention at some point that he knew Anna would die out in the woods on her own if he didn't go with her to find Elsa, but still he was only doing it to make sure he got a new sled? I always thought the romance between them came out of nowhere tbh, it was just so clunky and bad and there were waaaay too many trolls. Though his super awkward attempts to ask Anna for the halik were really cute, even if it's not traditionally romantic or passionate. And consent is always a good message to get across to impressionable kids. :) sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
wavesurf commented…
I liked the "consent" ibingiay for him to halik Anna. However, I have to agree with UN on this. Kristoff acted like a predictable jerk for most of the movie, since he basically "said something disparaging" about all of Anna's choices. And nearly every step of the way towards finding Elsa, he either argued with Anna, or sat back on his heels and waited for her to do all of the grunt work. The romance between them "weakens" an already "very weak plotline" because the development of that romance is nonexistent. Yeah. UN is right. The romance between Anna and Kristoff "came out of nowhere." The consent thing is great, and I'm all for it. But there was definitely no buildup to that kiss. Even Eugene and Punzie's relationship had some build-up before romance was introduced. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas incisron said…
Pocahontas was the best DP movie ever.
UnholyNoise commented…
It's definitely the most beautiful! sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
coolsinger198 commented…
Its amazing! sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas wavesurf said…
It occurs to me, that I most firmly, completely disagree that Ariel is Disney’s worst princess. I’ve ( unapologetically) felt this way for years. (The stance of "Ariel is awful" shows up all over the internet, and under every article mentioning the Disney Princesses, from movie reviews, to polls, to posts on social media). There isn’t “a worst” Disney Princess. Okay? I also completely disagree that Ariel is the only DP who must keep on profusely apologizing for her actions…when all the other DPs make just as many poor decisions as Ariel does--- and yet they don’t receive nearly the level of overt hatred and diatribe that Ariel gets. Are other princesses required to keep on, and keep on apologizing? Are they vilified for their core attributes? It’s hypocritical to just stick the label entirely on Ariel, and keep on demanding a lengthy apology from her, when all the other princesses have done their share of DIRT, too. Belle, the common paragon placed on a pedestal, is the one who tipped off Gaston, and got the beast stabbed in the back. If it weren’t for the enchantress’s curse, Belle would have been simply out of luck, there, and she would be the witness to a murder she inadvertently caused. And Belle DID inadvertently cause the beast’s death. (Notice how this same situation becomes a repeat thing in Pocahontas?) Plenty of other princesses do just as badly as Belle does. As I mentioned, Pocahontas gets Kocoum killed; Jasmine gets Aladdin locked up in prison; Merida changes her mother into a bear in a false attempt to physically change her mother’s mind; Mulan joins the army, gets exposed as a female, and destroys the emperor’s palace; Tiana has only tough love to give to Ray, the firefly, and he gets killed on her watch; Rapunzel gets Eugene stabbed, because he pursues her, etc., etc. Elsa DIDN’T apologize for inducing a blizzard and wreaking havoc on Arendelle, and Ariel DID apologize for endangering Atlantica.
Why should all of the other princesses get a free pass for what they did or failed to do? If you dislike or happen to loathe Ariel, that’s your choice. But stop demanding that Ariel apologize, and apologize, and apologize, and apologize for being herself in her own movie. Other princesses MADE TONS OF MAJOR MISTAKES, and STILL got what they wanted. In the end, who cares why you think Ariel needs to apologize more than every other princess? It only matters to the Ariel fans you get to stick it to, who will defend her tooth and nail if you proceed to go down that path. Ariel doesn’t have to offer a lengthy apology in her own movie. Plenty of princesses (and non-princesses) didn’t offer profuse apologies. Live with it. Despite the high per-capita consensus among Ariel haters that Ariel is soooooooo dang awful… paradoxically, Ariel is STILL one of the most sought after princesses when it comes to Disney merchandise. I find that really odd and amusing, now that I think about it. That's just too weird. Hatred is a huge brotherhood or sisterhood, but so is the fandom and the money-making. (Frozen alone proves this fact to be flat out true). Give the "Ariel needs to apologize more” thing a rest. You’re making a mountain out of a molehill, and this belief REALLY DOESN'T hold up when you watch other Disney Princess movies, and see the slew of other mistakes made by Belle, Cinderella, Snow White, Aurora, Jasmine, Pocahontas, Mulan, Tiana, Rapunzel, and Merida.
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coolsinger198 commented…
All the reasons you put for the other princesses faults were wrong. Pocahontas didn't get Kococum killed. He did that to himself sa pamamagitan ng interrupting their kiss. Thomas is the one who pulled the trigger if I recalled. How did hasmin get Aladdin locked up? Please explain that one. And about Mulan, UNLIKE Ariel, Mulan destroyed the emperor's palace TO SAVE A COUNTRY. Ariel did what she wanted for her own selfish views. Rapunzel did NOT get Eugene stabbed AT all.You seem to not know who is the use of problems. He went to save her, and Rapunzel did try to warn him but it was too late. A character's outcome happens due to their OWN actions. and quite frankly, the only princesses here who actually caused a big problem on her own are Merida, Elsa ( unintentionally) drumroll please.... Ariel. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
disnerdtobe commented…
Also I don't think it's selfish at all for people to ilipat from tahanan and follow their dreams. That's completely normal. People in real life do that all the time, leaving tahanan to go to college, travel, careers, etc. It's one thing for kids to obey their parents, but as adults, they shouldn't have to follow and have their parents live out their life for them. It really confuses me when Ariel gets called selfish. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
disnerdtobe commented…
And I don't really like how it's considered selfish to do something for a romantic partner. That makes absolutely no sense to me. Wouldn't it be SELFLESS to do something for a romantic partner, not the other way around. If someone does something selfless for a parent or sibling or family member, they're praised, but if they do something for their romantic partner, suddenly it's selfish? What?? I don't like how if someone does something for romantic love, then they're branded as lovesick, lustful, weak girls who are unfeminist and support the patriarchy. Pocahontas's choice could be flipped the other way. That she doesn't pag-ibig John Smith "enough" because she wouldn't leave for him. It's ridiculous. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas KataraLover said…
I think that Aurora's peasant dress is OVERRATED and ugly! The neckline is too high for my taste, I hate collars, the sleeves look too short and kind of awkward for some reason, and grey is such a horrible color! Of all the colors they could've chosen for her, why grey? It's such a boring and DULL color! As a theatre major in college, I've taken classes that talk about costume designs and how they should represent a character's personality and their situation. Snow White's dress showed what an optimistic, colorful, and childlike innocent character she was. Even with Elsa her clothes represented her because her outfits at first were conservative (Including having her hair in a bun), showing that she had to hide her powers, until her iconic ice dress and letting her hair down that showed she was embracing her powers and no longer cared (even though the writing of her character CLEARLY didn't show that after Let It Go). What does Aurora's grey dress show about her? Grey is used on characters that are supposed to be dull and lifeless. Why didn't they use a color like purple or something? I know a lot of people love her peasant dress, which is fine, but I just think it's ugly! HORRIBLE color and a bad design.
coolsinger198 commented…
I like it. It isn't my favorite, but I like it. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
wavesurf commented…
It's okay. I like the bodice on it, but that's all. I was happy to see a similar bodice on Ariel's tour of the kingdom dress. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
hirohamada commented…
I don't like Aurora's peasant dress either. I suppose it's being gray to ipakita modesty and simplicity, as Aurora was a simple, naive, "old-fashioned" peasant girl (Briar Rose) sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas coolsinger198 said…
I feel that they are more Elsa's than there are Anna's in this world.
UnholyNoise commented…
^ this is a really intriguing thought! sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
wavesurf commented…
^Okay. You mean madami people who suffer from anxiety, and have withdrawn personalities vs those that are outgoing, and not as anxious? That could be the case. I don't know... I just think people gravitate to "easy relatability" in a character, and then obsess about it. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
disnerdtobe commented…
That's probably true sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas WinterSpirit809 said…
I don't really dislike any of the princesses. Sure, there are princesses that I prefer over others, and I know each princess has flaws, ever since I started relating to Elsa a little more, I like all princesses.
coolsinger198 commented…
Agree! sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas coolsinger198 said…
Jasmine and Ariel are not alike AT ALL. When people compare Jasmine to Ariel because they are both headstrong and have sass, it gets me very upset because they are completely different people. I think Ariel is more like Pocahontas instead.
wavesurf commented…
I think hasmin is indeed like Ariel, Belle, Pocahontas, Merida, Tiana, and Rapunzel -- in the headstrong, stubborn, and sass regard. All of these princess characters continue to be shades of the same thing-- they are a set of vocal females who simply don't choose to sit around quietly. They are ALL ALIKE, though. It's the settings, the context, and the trappings of the pelikula that differentiate them... Their foils are the Classic girls and Mulan. Disney just took the female "fiesty spirit" dynamic from Ariel and kept applying it a thousand different ways (in new iterations over and over). Even Anna and Elsa have a pinch of Ariel's stubborness, and headstrong sass. Moana will likely follow in this same vein. Disney has rarely changed up the formula that made them a success since 1989. They just reprocess the packaging. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
coolsinger198 commented…
I don't mean personality wise. I mean based on their actions in the movie, and their motives for doing them. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
wavesurf commented…
^Some of their motivations are identical, too, though. Disney just recycles everything over time. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas WinterSpirit809 said…
Despite being the older sibling, I always like the younger siblings more, especially Frozen and Big Hero 6. Elsa, although I like her, and have been told I am a lot like her because I have depression and I'm quiet. I don't see much of myself in her as an older sister, and her choices are questionable. Tadashi, however- my opinion on him continues to worsen. He is a good brother, and I wish I could be as good as him, and that's why I still like him. Overall, his character wasn't that good and he was a Gary Stu, kind of. I love Hiro and Anna's personalities, I want to be a sister like Anna and Hiro was such a good character, going from an immature kid and I also relate to him.
coolsinger198 commented…
I see what you mean. Do you like Lilo or Nani better? sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
WinterSpirit809 commented…
I like both the same actually lol. But I guess Nani a little madami but she is the only one. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
scarletunicorn commented…
Tadashi's character works if you think of him only existing for Hiro's development- who imo is the madami interesting character of the two. I don't get how the fandom obsesses that much over Tadashi tbh. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
UnholyNoise commented…
I dunno, I can see why Tadashi is so well-liked. I guess I'm the opposite of you in that the whole "wise older sibling" thing is one of my paborito tropes - and Tadashi had so much influence over Hiro's growth. The younger siblings tend to be the main protags, who are usually less interesting to me. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas coolsinger198 said…
I do not feel that Megara and Esmeralda should be a part of the lineup. I love them so much as characters, but a lot of my friends say they should be, and I disagree with that. As much as I hate to admit it, they are not AS popular as Belle, or Ariel, or Cinderella, Mulan, Jas, etc. If they were, I wouldn't be mad about it, but for all those people making petitions about it, it isn't going to do anything.
wavesurf commented…
^This is similar to the constant petitioning to get Anna and Elsa to sumali the Disney Princess lineup. It is something to do, but perhaps a waste of time in the end. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
WinterSpirit809 commented…
I hate petitions. They have them for Jelsa, this, to put Teen Titans on Cartoon Network (sorry unDisney related). Although the last one I wouldn't mind, petitions won't do anything, but annoy the directors. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
disnerdtobe commented…
I agree with you. Megara and Esme don't have that "princess" essence. Tinkerbell, Anna and Elsa do though, which is why I support Tinkerbell being a princess even though she's technically a fairy. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas deedragongirl said…
Belle reminds me of Bella Swan from the Twilight Saga.
Sparklefairy375 commented…
But at least Belle still have madami face expressions than her. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
wavesurf commented…
^That is true. Kristen Stewart's pagganap is very wooden, just like Emma Watson's pagganap is. But Belle is not that exciting a character pangkalahatang anyway, so it's just a role. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
AudreyFreak commented…
^really disagree on KStew. Watch some of her movies- she's played a fairy tale princess warrior, an introspective rape victim dealing with high school, a rough partying tomboy rock star, a snobby older sister, a snarky runaway teen, etc. She needs madami emotional range to be sure but she's proven she's quite capable of playing various roles, whereas as you noted, Emma isn't. And Bella isn't even that bad sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
disnerdtobe commented…
^agree on the KStew part. KStew is actually a better actress than people give her credit for. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas Sparklefairy375 said…
I started to think Mulan was a bit overrated here. I know, almost peoples loved her (including me too.) but I never saw anyone told about her flaws, opposited with the others (from Snow until Elsa) who still have flaws. It seems like she's the most perfect of them all, without flaws (seriously?) instead all characters certainly have some flaws.
wavesurf commented…
^Overrated? Mulan was never as popular as Elsa is, Sinderella is, or Ariel has been. And even barring that, Mulan is the heroine/princess who starts out with cheating, laziness, tardiness, slowness, lack of coordiation, stubbornness, a rebellious streak, and a mouth on her. Mulan does work on these flaws quite a bit...because the army pretty much kicks her butt into gear. The only things left of "the old Mulan" after the army whips her into physical and mental shape-- is her rebelliousness ( taking the last kanyon without asking), and her mouthy side. Mulan still talks back to Shang when he tells her to leave the area in front of the Emperor's palace. Mulan won't leave, which shows her stubbornness is still present. So some of the old Mulan is still in there. Honestly, Mulan reminds me so much of a younger Grandma Fa. Weird to visualize, I know. But yeah... sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
Sparklefairy375 commented…
^Calm down. I sinabi "Mulan is a bit overrated here" which mean in Fanpop (especially in this club), not in outside. Because almost every peoples adore her so much. I'm just never saw any opinions about Mulan's flaws on Fanpop, the mostly are Ariel, Jasmine, Tiana, Merida, and Elsa. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
wavesurf commented…
^Yes, we commonly discuss Ariel's flaws extensively, Merida's flaws extensively, Elsa's flaws extensively, Tiana's sometimes, and ( not very often) a few of Jasmine's, Belle's, and Mulan's. Mulan is flawed as well. Yes, people like her on here ( as a rule). There are Mulan haters here on this board as well, though. As for flaws, I remember an artikulo series I did on the flaws in every single Disney princess --> link Anyhow, opinions on the DP flaws vary considerably... as you well know. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
disnerdtobe commented…
Mulan is "overrated" everywhere. Even Disney haters, DP haters, and feminazis worship her, precisely for that reason. So you're definitely right. The only people who have any criticism is AudreyFreak and Avatar_TLA_fan (I read some of their artikulo before joining this club). So yes, Mulan has a better rep than the other princesses, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. In fact, Mulan is even madami "overrated" outside of fanpop. Here, she still gets a little bit of criticism (not much, but some, which is a lot when you compare to the rest of the internet). She only isn't successful when it comes to merchandise, because little girls want to buy madami "princessy" and girly things. They rather buy Cinderella's ballgown than Mulan's robe. sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas