Filming kicks off in Zumaia & MAJOR SPOILERS leak out despite tight security

With the eventful filming in Biscay‘s Muriola and Gaztelugatxe concluded as of last week, and Emilia Clarke‘s birthday celebration in-between, the cast and crew moved to Gipuzkoa and have begun shooting this morning in Zumaia’s Itzurun beach.
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With the eventful filming in Biscay‘s Muriola and Gaztelugatxe concluded as of last week, and Emilia Clarke‘s thirtieth birthday celebration in-between, the cast and crew moved to Gipuzkoa and have begun shooting this morning in Zumaia’s Itzurun beach. They will end on Saturday the 29th, and then move on south, but until then we have a whole week of filming. Security measures are particularly tight, but we still have video footage of the first meeting of certain main characters taking place in the beach.

reports on the commencement of filming and the impact it has had on the community, both positive and negative. On the one hand, the routine comings and goings of the locals have been heavily restricted by the production, particularly in the neighborhood that surrounds Itzurun beach, Larratxo: Only those who actually live in this district are now able to circulare freely. Not only the beach set and surrounding cliffs but the

has been cordoned off by the municipal police and the the Basque Country’s very own police force —The

On the other hand, the company in charge of production in Spain,

, made sure to employ as many local people as possible, especially amongst the unemployed. They also bought all materials for their props in Zumaia and the nearby provincial capital of San Sebastián, as well as packing the hotel businesses in the area with their hundreds of workers. Furthermore, Zumaia’s businesses have taken advantage of the event to refurbish their shops with appropriately themed merchandise and decorations.

also specified the number of extras that are being employed. Of the 800 hopefuls that queued on the morning of October 10th (quite a

morning, I can attest to that), only 300 candidates were selected. Now we know how many of these actually got the job: There are only 20 extras, as that is what the script requires. On top of that, a number of professional oarsmen from the

club are being employed to carry the characters and extras to shore in the boats we properly saw yesterday.

Now, what are these oarsmen and extras being used for exactly? Is Itzurun beach supposed to be part of Dragonstone, just like Gaztelugatxe? Let’s go to the footage most of you are probably waiting for and find out. It should go without saying that there are major spoilers from here on out, but just in case:

Indeed, Itzurun joins the previous Basque locations in serving as the show’s depiction of the lands that surround the great castle of Dragonstone. What’s more, video footage and photographs have turned up of the scenes being filmed, mostly taken from

, a local country holiday home that overlooks the bay. As many of us suspected, they are filming at least one scene: the arrival of Jon Snow and Davos Seaworth to the Daenerys-held castle. The King in the North, accompanied by Davos and a guard of Northern soldiers, is greeted by Tyrion, Missandei and some Dothraki, who take care of their boats once they arrive. Though this cannot be discerned in these videos,

reports that, upon disembarking, Jon and Tyrion share a formal handshake.

The Unsullied are absent, as are the Queen’s Westerosi allies. However, the Greyjoys will probably make an appearance in these Zumaia scenes, because just yesterday Alfie Allen was spotted coming out of his hotel in Bilbao with his fellow cast members. Gemma Whelan, who plays Yara Greyjoy, has not been spotted yet, but Theon is certainly in play:

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UPDATE #1: More images surfaced from today’s filming, starring Kit Harington, Peter Dinklage, Liam Cunningham, Nathalie Emmanuel and Staz Nair (as the bloodrider Qhono), courtesy of

now provides us with a much better view of the Dragon Queen. Emilia Clarke is sporting a beautiful new

also shared quite a few new pictures from last week’s filming there, so this new one is also probably from last week, not from Zumaia:

UPDATE #3: One of the zoomed-in photographs shows Liam Cunningham talking to Mark Mylod, which tells us he will direct Jon’s arrival to Dragonstone and probably his meeting with Daenerys too. Thanks to Jenny in the comments for the tip!

Though we already knew these characters would meet, it’s nice to witness the moment. It seems that Jon and company will arrive in the shores of Dragonstone (that is, Zumaia) and then go up the stairs (that is, Gaztelugatxe) to the castle with the Targaryen crew. So, what are your thoughts on this momentous occasion? Are you as excited as I am to see Jon and Tyrion catch up? What would a Missandei-Davos conversation look like? How will Jon and Daenerys get along? Please theorize in the comment section!

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The videos don’t work on my old work computer, but from what you wrote I gather this proves that Daenerys and company will be at Dragonstone when Jon & Davos arrive and not the other way around.

It’s hard not to look at these updates. Hype keeps on itensifying.

I can’t wait to hear what Tyrion says to Jon!

I guess the Dothraki have been training on how to properly handle a boat while at sea? LOL

Yes it is as you can in the image jon am Davis are greeted by tyrion and missandei and dothraki surrounding them..

You mean “spoiled” in a good way or a bad way? Or a bit of both? 😛

Its weird that Tyrion and Jon met way back at the beginning of season 1. I hope they still get along!!

Im looking forward to the Jon and Tyrion conversation. Im expecting some sort of smart ass comment from Tyrion about Jon having been Night Watch and now King in the north, its certainly the first time someone made that transition or something funny. I would also like them to talk about Sansa, it would be great for Jon to acknowledge how he appreciated Tyrion looking after her.

I hope the catalyst for all this is Tyrion convincing Dani the North are good people, Jon is a good man, and stand up for Ned as it comes to her family. They would make a great alliance etc. I also expect Varys to elaborate on the rumors of Jon being killed by his Brothers only to be resurrected, and he is rumored the best swordsman in the North

me too!!! “Lord Snow”? “Your Grace”? “Bastard”? LOL

I’m glad you guys can make out what’s happening, because I can’t at all, ha.

What a spectacular location! Thank you, Luka! 🙂

Luka, can Jon and Tyrion be seen shaking hands in one of the videos or do you just know that? I can’t see if they are.

Yes, I can’t make out any handshakes going on. I don’t even see Jon and Tyrion moving towards each other.

I can’t see the handshake to save my life, so I appreciate the better eyeballs than mine! 😊

El Diario Vasco reported it. The videos don’t show it. Should’ve clarified.

Thanks. It saves me watching the videos fifty more times to make it out. 😉

Jon and Tyrion scenes AND Jon and Theon scenes!! Looking forward to those.

I like, looking forward to this season. Still curious on what Cersei and Euron will be up to, I can’t see Dany making it all this way without suffering any losses. She’s already to OP with three Dragons and her massive army.

But a storm or Euron attacking the fleet could easily explain losses, also I could see this meeting as less an alliance vs Cersei and more Jon wanting dragon glass and agreeing to either support or stay out of Danys way. When’s the show out? Summer?

Tyrion and Jon both left on good terms, Tyrion was the one who made Jon accept the term bastard if I recall. Would be a funny scene, with both sides thinking they are taking shots at each other. Also I hope we get more Ghost, I want to see Ghost and a Dragon together.

How much i love this scene and always knew that they’ll meet again.

Thankyou watchersonthewall for keeping us up-to-date with the recent filming. I love spoilers because it increases my level of excitement, i know i’m not normal. Can’t wait to hear more.

How much i love this scene and always knew that they’ll meet again.

I’ll speculate what I wrote in the last post: Daenerys arrives on Dragonstone with the Dothraki early next season. She already has support from Martells, Tyrells and part of Ironborn. So she may immediately send ravens to Winterfell, and the Vale for negotiations (not Lannisters and Riverlands; RL will be assumed is under Lannister control). At Winterfell, it will be decided that Jon and Davos should go – perhaps prompted by LF, who’ll want some alone time with Sansa. 😉 LF can tell Jon to vouch for the Vale too.

Jon and Davos arrive, are greeted by Tyrion and Missandei, and are walking up the stairs, when Daenerys arrives back from an invigorating ride atop Drogon. She gets down at the top of the cliff, walks inside and greets the Northerners there. I am speculating Ep. 3.

I am just amazed that it’s a very Dothraki presence on Dragonstone. Where is Greyworm and his Unsullied? I think, before Jon and Davos arrive, GW may have taken off to help some other allies.

Jon and Tyrion parted as friends (a rarity for Tyrion when parting from members of the Stark family) so I think that bodes well for the two of them in forming this alliance. Tyrion had some snide comments for Theon when they met again in 609, but he had a much better rapport with Jon. When Tyrion met with Daenerys at the start of 508, he spoke of how far she had come, and I would assume that he might make a similar comment to Jon – that when they last met he was all set up for a career in the Night’s Watch, and now he seems to have become a king.

Varys and Tyrion will be able to speak up for Ned and Jon respectively; Varys was present in season one when Ned made it clear to Robert that he was against any acts of violence against Daenerys, and Tyrion can speak of Jon as being decent and honorable. LF said to Sansa in 610 that news of the battle against Ramsay would spread quickly, which I think means that on their arrival in Westeros, Daenerys and her team will hear that the Starks have re-taken Winterfell and crowned a new King in the North. At that stage, I think we will see Varys and Tyrion tell Daenerys about Ned and Jon. It will be interesting to see how everyone outside the North reacts to the news of Jon’s ascension.

I’m loving all these filming spoilers we’ve been getting these past few days! I want to know

lol, at the Dothraki carrying the boat knee-deep in “poison water”! The things they do for their Khaleesi of all khalasars…

I’m so excited about the Jon/Tyrion reunion because they became friends way back in S1… and so much has happened since then!

I’m also trying to imagine what Jon’s guard, the northern soldiers, are thinking right there on the beach when they first see Dothraki!

This whole diplomatic mission (because that’s what this seems to be) makes me wonder what the Northen lords think of the whole thing… I’m thinking of Lord Glover calling Talisa a

and all that… If Littlefinger is still in the North, this could be an opening for him to create trouble while Jon’s away. What would be Sansa’s part in such potential troublemaking? I sincerely wish she pretends to go along with LF, only to bring him down in some spectacular fashion. It’s difficult to know because we don’t know where Bran and Arya will be, and also the Hound

Oh man! I really can’t wait to hear the conversation with Tyrion and Jon…snarks and grumpkins…uh yeah they’re real lol!! And I wonder what Tyrion would think of Jon’s resurrection…how does that conversation go?

Tyrion: So what’s been going on since we last met?

Jon: Well…I lay with a wildling, I was made LC, cough..I was killed and brought back to life…cough, oh and…oh now I am KiTN!!

Tyrion: “whoa wait back up a minute you died?!! Wtf?!!”

Jon: “yeah I know right?! What about you…”

Tyrion: “well I was accused of killing my nephew, I DID kill my whore and my father, I snuck out of Westeros, became a slave, almost got my c*** cut off and sold to a merchant, almost got Greysale, and now I am Hand of the Queen.”

It’s just so funny to me because individually they have just truly unbelievable stories! Dany-walked into 2 fires and lived. Jon-died and brought back to life. Arya-yeah I’m a crazy assassin that uses dead peoples faces as disguises. Tyrion-all the craziness he has gone through. Bran-literally knows EVERYTHING! And don’t take over the bodies of animals and people!! So that would be one hell of a group therapy session!

OK, so Jon needs to thank the man who forcibly wed his sister so the Lannisters could try and get their hands on Winterfell?

And once Sandor Clegane gets to the North, Jon is definitely not the best swordsman around.

I wonder how and when Jon will know who his real father is. Will he get to know it before he meets Dany? Or will Melisandre see something in her flames and tell Jon/Dany about it? It’s a good thing Jon is official welcomed by Tyrion and Missandei, so they start on good terms.

Iam just afraid after what we are going to to once the filming is over in spain.

Their whole purpose for meeting in season one was to establish a relationship that would serve the story well at a later point. Otherwise a lannister and a stark wouldn’t be so keen to work together. Guessing Tyrion is instrumental in having Dany accept Jon.

Not important: For the life of me at the moment I can’t recall if we’ve seen a handshake in the show… I know we’ve seen the forearm grasp but has there been a handshake?

I just caught up going through the comments in the other thread where convo started on this info. Others mentioned there that this new stuff is really tying all of this together.

It makes perfect sense now that Jon and Davos would be startled and dive for cover if they had just arrived and started walking up the path when a dragon swoops over. Other than hearing about the dragons it’s probably not part of their greeting conversation and then *zoom*. In my imagination I’m creating a scene with Daenerys watching the arrival from a high balcony of the castle and calls Drogon to take her down to meet them, “buzzing the tower” in the process.

Wait impetiently. We’ve got practice by now, surely!

Acceptance is the first step. For many of us, the last we are willing to take 😛

Wake me up when new Arya spoilers come around. I’ve officially lost interest in the Jon-Tyrion-Dany storylines.

He doesn’t have to thank Tyrion, as that’d be like thanking the guy for not raping his sister. However, from what I can recall, Tyrion was forced into that marriage as much as Sansa was, and he respected Sansa’s autonomy in a world where there’s no concept of marital rape. There is no need for these two men to be enemies or to hold grudges, so it makes sense that they’d shake hands.

We’ve seen handshakes. Jon shook hands with Tyrion when the latter left Castle Black and iirc he shook hands with the Wildling leader when he recruited them to fight Ramsay. Oh and Jaime shook Jon’s hand in that one scene they had together at Winterfell.

I’m sure there are other cases involving other characters too.

Davos is basically Hand of the King even if never formally given that title.

Yes! I can’t wait to see the reaction of everyone about KiTN especially Cersei and Jaime!!! Jaimes gonna be like F**k!!! Here we go again! He didn’t kill Sansa like she wanted him to and now Jon is back and LF betrayed her!!! I see her freaking out like the Red Queen in Alice in wonderland….Off with their heads!!!! The entire north and the vale are united under Starks, the Riverlands are a disaster for the Lannister/Frey houses (thanks to an assassin Stark) and now the Dragon Queen and her Dothraki are here!!!! (And uniting with the Starks!) I wonder if she will blame Jaime for the Freys lol!!

Not important:For the life of me at the moment I can’t recall if we’ve seen a handshake in the show…I know we’ve seen the forearm grasp but has there been a handshake?

Well we had that kinda weird but funny forearm shake between Dany and Yara last season.

More to the point though- does Tyrion go down on one knee to the KITN? I know that Jon wouldn’t be a stickler for that (not so sure about Davos) but Tyrion would surely recognize to adopt the correct protocol?

In any case these leaks are amazing and can’t wait to see what this week brings. How much do you reckon HBO are gonna pay this guest house for a NDA?

So- are they filming at Zumaia all this week? Is there still a battle expected to film there? I’m losing track…

When do you think we will get the trailer Iam guessing late Feb or early March

And Lol yeah about coming to accept some events ..

Once more I have to admit that, though I made some correct predictions (Jon going to Dragonstne), my wishful thinking made me to underestimate how tough the showrunners can be on the KITN.

If the leaked scenes indeed go in the expected order, namely Jon’s landing; Tyrion leading him and Davos to the castle; and Dany swooping in on a dragon forcing KITN to fall on the ground, well… that doesn’t look like a warm welcoming. I would rather say that Dany is taking a over-aggressive stance in the beginning and that it is going to turn against her, because at the end of the day it will be Davos helping Tyrion with his suicide mission to KL (apparently on Jon’s orders) and it will be Gendry helping them out (apparently because of what Davos did to him, not because of Tyrion). And though the later role of Gendry is yet to be seen, I bet that he will be doing whatever he is supposed to do because of Davos and Arya, not because of Her Majesty Dragon-Queen. So, it still looks like it will be the extended Team-Jon saving the day and Dany will have to admit that she was wrong playing an over-entitled chick when being in a need of support and assistance.

As for their relations, indeed it looks like Jon will be have some very hard time in the beginning, but I am absolutely sure he will handle it. With all his experience with Cat and Sansa and even Ygritte who had a habit of being ‘occasionally awful’, he should have developed an ability to maintain control and not to overreact (and based on all what we saw in 6 seasons, we can say that he really did). And if she awakens a dragon, there will be no help neither from the old gods, nor from the new.

As for the placement of these scenes, IMO it should be Ep 4 or 5, because Tyrion’s suicide mission to KL is definitely Ep 5 and it should be happening after Jon and Dany meet and smooth some edges.

That’s exactly how I picture it as well. Jon and Davis disembark, everyone looks tense as the Dothraki swarm the boat. Tyrion approaches, calls out “Bastard” harshly, Missandei looks at him in alarm. Jon stoically replies, “Dwarf.” Then Tyrion breaks into a grin, approaches Jon with hand outstretched. “It’s good to see you again, your grace.” Jon, also smiling, shakes his hand and agrees. “And you, Lord Tyrion. Much has changed since we last met.” Etc. The scene writes itself. 🙂

I wonder how Dany’s gang is going to get accurate news of the present state of Westeros? Varys has his sources but even he doesn’t know everything.

Maybe they will have heard that the Boltons have been defeated and send a raven to the “Lord of Winterfell” (whoever that might be) and invite him over for talks – and Jon will be keen to make an alliance because of the WWs. Then, on the beach, Tyrion will greet Jon as “my lord” and Davos explains to him in a very Davos-kind of way, “My lord, you are addressing His Grace, the King in the North.” Tyrion might chuckle at that point and offer a formal but friendly handshake to Jon and recall the time they both went to the Wall, and Jon could make some remark about Tyrion now being the Hand of the Dragon Queen. Or maybe not but it’s fun making these little scenarios in my head. I’m hoping for a friendly reunion between Jon and Tyrion but of course there could be some tension because, being acclaimed the KitN, Jon is technically a rebel against Tyrion’s Queen of

“It will be interesting to see how everyone outside the North reacts to the news of Jon’s ascension.”

This! It would be kinda cool to have a few scenes in the first episode of people getting the news and reacting to whats going on in the north. Not to mention the mysterious death of Walder

Wake me up when new Arya spoilers come around.

I’ve officially lost interest in the Jon-Tyrion-Dany storylines.

Lmao!! Who would’ve thought anyone would get sick of talking about Jon/Dany/Tyrion in the same scenes!?! Too funny! But I too really want to see Arya’s storyline! I really want her to see Gendry, the Hound and Jon again! And it will be interesting to see how her and Sansa react to each other after so long!

They’ll already know from Ollena, Ellaria or (more likely) Varys. And failing that… Mel.

It all depends on the timeline between TBOTB and the southern fleets leaving to meet Dany but remember Varys’ birds are everywhere.

Where has any leak indicated that Dany is swooping in on Drogon? That’s nothing more than fan speculation based on Jon and Davos ducking for cover the first time they see a dragon. Emilia hasn’t filmed any exterior scenes to imply that Dany and Jon’s first meeting is outdoors at all.

Ah Please we don’t want another will he bend the knee or not .

He will first address him as Your Grace Tyrion rocks at diplomacy but afterwards he can call him Jon.Tyrion and Jon were my first brotp so I’m nearly as exited for them to meet as Jon and Dany.They can have some great conversations plus it’s clear George made them meet and become buddies so this moment can happen.

What? Tyrion was forced just as much, he also never put a hand on her and was completely respectful and looked after her. 2 tit for tat much, Jons legend is more important to the story than who is actually better.. Hence Ramsey acknowledging he is suppose to be the best swordsman in the North. That kind of reputation making it south says something about Jon and the common people who hear his stories, whether or not Clegane is actually better

Wasn’t there a photo of Jon and Dany meeting outside, on those stairs?

idk if she’ll swoop down on Jon and Davos, but she might. There’s no reason why she shouldn’t.

Yes! I can’t wait to see the reaction of everyone about KiTN especially Cersei and Jaime!!! Jaimes gonna be like F**k!!!Here we go again! He didn’t kill Sansa like she wanted him to and now Jon is back and LF betrayed her!!!I see her freaking out like the Red Queen in Alice in wonderland….Off with their heads!!!!The entire north and the vale are united under Starks, the Riverlands are a disaster for the Lannister/Frey houses (thanks to an assassin Stark) and now the Dragon Queen and her Dothraki are here!!!!(And uniting with the Starks!) I wonder if she will blame Jaime for the Freys lol!!

Yeah, I don’t imagine Cersei is going to be too happy. She agreed in season five to LF taking the Valemen to fight the loser of the Stannis/Bolton confrontation when he told her that Sansa had married Ramsay; she did

agree to LF taking the side of the Starks. As Jaime tells Brienne in 608, Sansa remains a suspect in Joffrey’s murder – Cersei is not going to be happy that the Starks have regained control of Winterfell. She never paid any attention to Jon, so I think a lot of her rage will be directed at Sansa and LF. It will be interesting to see what Cersei finds out first – that Tyrion is returning to Westeros with Daenerys, or that Jon has been declared King in the North.

As for Jaime, I think he will recall his scene with Jon in 102. So much of that scene was, I think, Jaime seeing Jon’s naivety about the Night’s Watch and remembering his own feelings, at roughly the same age, when he joined the Kingsguard. But it would be good for him to refer back to it – a comment that he’d thought Jon was supposed to join the Night’s Watch, perhaps.

I am anxious to see what Jon will do when he sees Theon again. I hope Sansa told him everything, or else Theon’s gonna lose his teeth.

Plus I do hope Dany gets to meet Sansa.

I got from the Tyrion-Sansa scenes that he went out of his way to make her feel as comfortable as he could. They suffered though KL together and retrospectively im sure Sansa realizes how kind he was, and how he looked after her. Thats saying a lot more than anyone else in KL.

The Dothraki will become amazing sailors and will defeat Euron´s fleet ! Mark my words, that is the big twist we are not expecting!

Jon and Tyrion would be key to forge any alliance with Dany. It seems, Jon and co came wihtout weapons and probably were summoned or invited to Dragonstone by Tyrion. He could suggest that Jon might be a valuable ally, no need to make more enemies than it’s needed and he knows he’s a good guy, Sansa is also nice. Also dragonglass makes Dragonstone ideal location for first meeting.

But it’s kind of irony. First meeting is happening at ancestral home of House Targaryen. They choose this location for a reason. Jon and Dany could’ve meet anywhere else. King’s Landing, Riverlands, some encampment.

But it looks this will be last thing Kit will shoot in Spain. Indoor scenes are shoot in Belfast.

Any juicy spoilers for upcoming days? Videos or photos? Appreciate your work gathering all the info.

So if Team Dany is already there is Jon going there expecting to meet her, or are him and Davos going for dragon glass?

“It will be interesting to see how everyone outside the North reacts to the news of Jon’s ascension.”

Yeah, I can’t wait to see how Arya reacts to the news – and Edd!!! I have an image in my head of him receiving a raven from Winterfell, and muttering that if he’d come back from the dead it would be as a wight not as a king.

Sam is another interesting one for me – the established lack of info from Castle Black vs the rest of Westeros and the record-keeping at the Citadel does, I think, set up a scenario where Sam finds out that Jon is King in the North before he finds out that Jon was murdered.

Then there are the Sand Snakes, who have allied themselves with Daenerys. In 401, Oberyn talks to Tyrion about Elia and says that Rhaegar left her for another woman – will the Dornish be opposed to any alliance with the Stark faction because Lyanna was that other woman?

Except that Jon like powerfull women who are kissed by fire. Dany might show off, Jon might put her in her place, but we all know sexy times are coming.

Yeah, in a completely different scene. Different costumes, no guards, no welcome host, sun setting, body language indicating familiarity with one another. That was very clearly not their first meeting.

No one’s putting it past Dany to make an entrance, but there’s no evidence thus far that she does. At the moment, most signs point to their first meeting taking place indoors.

April at best. New season is starting like in late June or early July I imagine. They will finish shooting their scenes in February but CGI and all kind of things needs to be done before releasing first trailer.

I also repost what I wrote in another thread. I think that Jon’s meeting with Dany may be arranged by Littlefinger and Ollena Tyrell. The Queen of Thorns is a wise woman with a good experience of making alliances and her main goal is Cersei; therefore, she should be forging alliances all around even before Dany lands. And here rises a new KITN backed up by her old partner Littlefinger. And Ollena Tyrell is exactly that type of a player who will immediately see a possibility of a marriage alliance (all her policy, all her climb was based on marriages – first of her own, then on the marriages of her children and grandchildren). So, IMO Ollena-Littlefinger makes a more reliable and believable communication channel. And knowing that Cersei is an enemy to Jon because of Sansa and other things, Ollena might even inform him about the exact place of Dany’s landing offering to join their camp (though sharing this information with Littlefinger may prove to be a fatal mistake). One way or another, I won’t be surprised, if Jon receives the proposal to meet/marry Dany from the Queen of Thorns while Dany is still on the sail.

The only thing that still confuses me is that Dany chooses Dragonstone for her landing. Its the most inappropriate place to host her massive army, and splitting that army for separate land and naval operations looks absolutely insane. Of cause over-empowerment may cause a loss of common sense, but Tyrion is a wise planner even if Dany is not. So despite of the errors I made in my earlier predictions which I admit and regret, I still think that Team-Dany will come to Dragonstone after the first landing attempt fails further south, and that Jon will be going to Draginstone primarily for obsidian (maybe planning to meet Dany in KL right afterwards), but the LOL and all the other gods will make things happening their own way.

Jaime will join the Night´s watch, but not before the end of Cersei.

For me is see her with Jon again… that would make me so happy… she need to be with her Family… feel love again… she is been so alone far too long….

… and Dany swooping in on a dragon forcing KITN to fall on the ground, well… that doesn’t look like a warm welcoming. I would rather say that Dany is taking a over-aggressive stance in the beginning …

Well, so far it’s only speculation that a dragon might swoop over the party, in the pictures where Jon and Davos are on the floor and Tyrion looking up and then helping Jon back on his feet. It seems a plausible explanation. That Dany is riding the dragon to “demonstrate power” is only even wilder speculation.

I’ve seen complaints from some people (not you, Inga) about how having brave Jon duck under a dragon is ruining his character or something similar. Ehrm… Most people

duck if a mere bird flies too near overhead. Or think how people always duck when entering or leaving helicopters though the rotors are too high to hit them.

Jon and Davos ducking to the floor is a human instinct (and will make the cgi look more convincing). Team Dany not ducking is just them being more used to dragons and their low swoops, because they

the dragons won’t attack them. Jon and Davos don’t know this.

Of course Jon and Davos seeing dragons will be used in the show to convince them of Dany’s power, but it doesn’t have to be in a despotic, power-hungry way from Dany. The dragons are a fact – in fact, one of the things that makes an alliance with Dany so attractive to Jon. The dragons can incinerate wights so that’s a big help. They might not help against the WW but neutralising large swathes of the wight army is a big enough help.

Seriously, I’ve never been this excited a television show in my life. It’s like after years of waiting on TWOW, I’m more excited about season 7.

I guess Dany is only with Missandei, Varys and the Dothraki on Dragonstone. Greyworm and the unsullied are nowhere to be seen. Nor the Martells or the Tyrells. Yara and the Greyjoys aren’t there either unless maybe Theon.

Jack Bauer 24: So if Team Dany is already there is Jon going there expecting to meet her, or are him and Davos going for dragon glass?

It’s quite amazing to me just how important dragon glass has become in the last week or so, ever since news broke of Jon Snow on Dragonstone. 😀 Before that, it was all: Jon will stay only at WInterfell or go to the Wall briefly, but never south of the North; no mention of dragon glassing, even though Sam and Jon knew about dragon glass many seasons ago……. 😉

Apollo: More to the point though- does Tyrion go down on one knee to the KITN? I know that Jon wouldn’t be a stickler for that (not so sure about Davos) but Tyrion would surely recognize to adopt the correct protocol?

Oh, you must miss the “bending the knee” discussions quite a bit, to bring it back! Do you want a whole lot of bending the knee going on next season? I certainly wouldn’t want Davos to bend his knees to Daenerys!

Interesting idea!! And I would love to see Jon and Jaime meet again at some point.

OMG these have to have come from the actual set…

Well it was semi serious but also kind of a joke because of all the hoo-ha on here.

Either way I don’t really care, but I would’ve thought Tyrion would observe protocol, even though Dany is his queen.

As for the placement of these scenes, IMO it should be Ep 4 or 5, because Tyrion’s suicide mission to KL is definitely Ep 5 and it should be happening after Jon and Dany meet and smooth some edges.

Who says Dany is riding Drogon during that scene?

Facing WW is one thing and standing still when suddenly a dragon comes at you with full wings spreading..

And speaking about facing WW..he did ran once the wights started to rise ..are we going to call that act of cowardice too.

Just so we know we had ghost baring its teeth to tyrion .

Even dany in the last chapter of ADWD ducks down and scared that Drogon is coming to eat her when he flies near to her.

Never thought I’d EVER say this but I am loving the Daily Mail right now! 😉

Well we always get a couple seconds of footage in the HBO Year End video that releases in December. I remember last year we got the clip of Cersei hugging Tommen and Ramsay on horseback.

They have come from the gifted zoom lens of the Daily Mail, bless them.

Davos, Tyrion, Gendry is episode 5, already working together, so it must be 3 or 4. 1 and 2 are too early.

Daario? At least she loved him until season 5 and in books she kinda fancy him too. She had love and that far ago. If you mean familial love? Yes, well Viserys was always an asshole to her.

He did! He also stood up to Tywin, who was forcing him to consummate that marriage. Tyrion did the right thing in a society where he didn’t have to.

Never thought I’d EVER say this but I am loving the Daily Mail right now!

Luka, great job again on another big post! LOVE those new pics! Up close and personal! Thanks for another post well done! Keep ‘me coming!

It seems like Jon is having his weapon with him. Even his guards do have weapons, Ser Davos too. It’s going to be interesting.

The speculation about Jon and Davos falling on the ground because of dragon flying towards them is pretty realistic. Whether Dany will be seen on top no-one knows, but one way or another a dragon flying like that would be a power demonstration. Alternatively, we can assume that Drogon simply sensed Targarian blood and acted as a clumsy dog, but somehow I don’t think that dragons act as clumsy dogs.

The unsullied are there. Those leaked photos from saturday have them.

Now that we’ve seen Jon come ashore, we can see he does not have many guards with him and will be greatly outnumbered and outpowered during this trip to Dragonstone. Therefore, this idea that Dany will be riding Drogon and knock him over doesn’t make much sense to me. The need is what story wise? It will be obvious to the viewer that Jon Snow is outnumbered and overpowered on this island. I don’t see any reason to make Dany passive-aggressive and knock him over while flying a dragon. Story wise that’d be a strange decision.

More likely than not it will be Drogon, alone, flying overhead, close enough that Jon decides to hit the deck. The scene will accomplish giving giving Jon Snow his first glimpse of a dragon. Simple as that.

Lol tell me about it ..but for the last three years they have been spoiling us very big moments..

Season 5 they had dany tyrion meeting spoiled Season 6 jon at BOTB and now this

Wish they were there at the bridge during the weekend with those camera

They’ll already know from Ollena, Ellaria or (more likely) Varys.And failing that… Mel.

It all depends on the timeline between TBOTB and the southern fleets leaving to meet Dany but remember Varys’ birds are everywhere.

Yeah, I’m not disputing that team Dany will know most of the news (though it might not be totally accurate). I’m just nit-pickily intrigued as to how it will happen.

Speaking of news, I want to see mad queen Cersei’s reaction to the Starks retaking WF, with Sansa now effectively “Lady of Winterfell”, her bastard brother the KitN, and Cersei’s erstwhile ally LF now seemingly in the North camp with the Vale! And a dragon queen coming conquering, with her loathed dwarf brother second in command and the Reach and Dorne onside! (Poor Jaime! If he’s still around, he might bear the brunt of her rage… And he might be secretly happy that Sansa is now safe… Though maybe not so happy that his father-murdering brother is now allied with the murderers of Myrcella… )

Also, another thing I’d like to see is Tyrion’s reaction to the news that his mad sister incinerated most of the high nobility and crowned herself queen.

(I’m also looking forward to GRRM’s next installments in the book series, but, frankly, I’m not too hopeful – or willing to wait another 8 to 15 years for him to complete the saga. Which is a pity. I love the fuller stories and backgrounds given in the books. But surely it’s not too much to ask to have the end of the story in some amount of

time? GRRM isn’t getting any younger, but neither are his readers, lol!)

talvikorppi: I’m hoping for a friendly reunion between Jon and Tyrion but of course there could be some tension because, being acclaimed the KitN, Jon is technically a rebel against Tyrion’s Queen of all Westeros.

Dany isn’t queen of anything yet, Jon was proclaimed King before Dany showed up. The only people Jon is rebelling against at the moment is Cersei, and she doesn’t have a legitimate claim to the throne.

Dany have just as much reason to want a friendly alliance as Jon has. Jon was chosen to be the King in the North by his people. Dany is all about the people, she wants to create a good relationship with the people within Westeros. Jon is the one who will go back to the North and make reports about Dany to everyone, if Dany wants the people to respect her then she will have to provide Jon with a good impression. It is a two way street.

Of course Dany has a massive army and dragons, she can also invade Westeros or the North and start a war, and she will win. But at what cost?

War should always be the last resort for any good leader, wars are bad for everyone. Dany could invade the North but it is winter, and thousands will die and starve.

It seems much more prudent, to rather try and negotiate by using friendly diplomacy then tyranny.

Jon isn’t a slave master, he is a reasonable person who was chosen by his own people. If Dany can work with him, it would really improve her standing in the North. Jon would also rather seek peaceful negotiations. So they will have a good starting point to create an alliance.

Cersei on the other hand only cares about power and herself, so Dany will never be able to negotiate with her.

dragonbringer: Why should tyrion bend knee to him.

Yes, Tyrion doesn’t have to kneel for Jon. He’s sworn himself to Dany, she is his Queen not Jon. Davos and Jon also doesn’t have to kneel for Dany when they meet her, because they are not sworn to her.

Well I was going to respond the same by telling how greyworm was with dany and Jacob present with Emilia and others..

But then I remembered that scene must be them landing at dragonstone in first episode and he can be sent somehwere when jon comes..

But he can also be present with dany inside the castle protecting her..

We must be getting more filming today right with dany’s landing .. So maybe we will get to see emilia and colneth and jacob again

Unless the Unsullied are wiped out entirely early in the season (which I find hard to believe) I guess we have to assume Dany’s armada splits up and they are fighting (alongside the Martels and Tyrells) somewhere in the South or against the Ironborn?

I see Kit is channeling his inner Harry Potter in those pictures.

I think Tyrion and Jon will meet when Dany is missing. They probably think the queen is in KL. Davos and others will look for Dany and set her free. Or maybe it fails but she will free herself (because of her dragons).

Because everything will burn in KL, they go to Dragonstone to think about the next step.

I just can’t envision there being much conflict in these meet-ups. Tyrion likes (liked) Jon, he also liked Ned (or at least knew him to be honest and honorable). If Jon tells Tyrion about the war beyond the wall, I can’t imagine it would take much persuasion on Tyrions part to convince Dany that the battle for KL can wait. There might be internal conflict for Dany, the Iron Throne is her singular vision, but aside from it being pretty cool that the two main protagonists finally cross paths, I wonder if it won’t simply be a meeting of the minds and man power (and maybe loins, if the writers dedicate any time in a shortened season to pairing Jon/Dany up). After the surprise of meeting after all this time, I just can’t imagine the two sides wouldn’t come together as a super army.

Maybe it’s that my favorite plot (Jon) and least favorite (Dany) coming together doesn’t have me as hyped as some but since we are only getting 7-8 (?) episodes, I just can’t see conflict between the two factions lasting very long, if there is any issues at all.

These photos are amazing, whilst I’m really excited by Tyrion/Jon/Missandei/Davis etc and that hand shake. I am utterly blown away by the location, the rock formation is amazing. Such beautiful scenery, I know this is not going to happen but the first thing I thought when I zoomed into the background (apart from being memorised by the beauty of it) was that the darker rock could literally be dragonglass.

I am thinking whether Jon’s relations with Dany will follow the model of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert? I watched a very good TV series recently (which made me to read some historical studies too), and now I think that Dany and Jon indeed could make develop that type of relations on the background of Gothic-Flamboyant. I mean a strong, dominant, but often too impulsive women, and a quite man in the shadows who is much more important that everyone thinks. I don’t know but I definitely see that as a possibility.

The Unsullied and Greyworm are probably inside. We’ve seen pictures of them yesterday or the day before that with Dany. They’re not wiped out.

I’ve got to say, one of the scenes I’m most looking forward to – and hasn’t yet been addressed anywhere – is the reunion of Tyrion and Sansa. Tyrion’s the only person who ever showed Sansa any real kindness in King’s Landing (as Margaery & Olenna were mostly interested in playing politics), and he never touched her inappropriately in spite of being ordered to do so by his father. At least I live in hope of a reunion scene between these two (though I’m sure Sansa has already informed Jon that Tyrion acted honorably toward her).

The very first Westerosi Lord, King even, Daenerys encounters and she takes him hostage. That’s some ‘good’ politicking.

love the new pics from Daily mail..lol i always forget that Kit must be nearsighted and need glasses..he makes a sexy nerd so I approve 😉

the hand shake between Jon and Tryion makes me happy, its nice to see they still respect and like each other..

I saw that too. And they have the swords of the stark soldiers too.

edit: But I think it’s a normal thing. Jon didn’t have longclaw with him when he met Lyanna Mormont and Lord Glover.

No dirty savage Dothraki should ever touch Longclaw. Only Jon’s closest friends can.

“But it looks this will be last thing Kit will shoot in Spain. Indoor scenes are shoot in Belfast.”

What about the Dragonpit sequence, especially taking into account that Davos was confirmed to be there?

You can believe whatever you want, but literally each and everyone of your comments is pure vile against Daenerys and her people. Nothing else. You are not adding anything to the conversation except hate.

And what do you call taking weapons and the boat away then? That’s rendering them defenseless with no means of leaving the island. That’s hostile treatment.

They are not taken hostage. They are just not allowed to see the queen with sword in hand. Which…

That’s not hostile, that’s just common sense.

I forgot, everyone should worship Daenerys. Differing opinions are not welcome. No freedom of speech on this site.

You should know very well that is not the issue. As I explained earlier, you can believe whatever you want, but literally each and everyone of your comments is pure vile against Daenerys and her people. Nothing else. You are not adding anything to the conversation except hate. Either join the community in a meaningful manner or don’t bother.

Also, this is not a public forum. This is not an issue of freedom of speech. Imagine this website as someone else’s house. The doors are open, but it still is someone else’s house. You are invited to join in, but if you’re begin an asshole, or even if you just say something the owner doesn’t like, you can get kicked out. Understand?

He might be in the Dragonpit scene as well, but we’ll have to wait for that one.

Apollo: Well it was semi serious but also kind of a joke because of all the hoo-ha on here..

Yeah, you do NOT want to start the hoo-ha again, lol! 😀 Last week was more than enough and it brings out the trolls from the woodwork!

dragonbringer: But then I remembered that scene must be them landing at dragonstone in first episode and he can be sent somehwere when jon comes..

Yes. GW is at DS in the beginning but not later. I think he goes somewhere else to battle other forces.

What a stupid comment. “No freedom of speech” – grow up mate. Plenty of users on this site have criticised Dany.

edit: But I think it’s a normal thing. Jon didn’t have longclaw with him when he met Lyanna Mormont and Lord Glover.

, Jon isn’t allowed to take weapons or Ghost into any meetings he has with Stannis at Castle Black, so them handing over their weapons would be in keeping with that.

just my two cents on the order of the scenes we’ve seen. -Team Stark arrives on Dragonstone

-Team Stark buzzed by dragons on the way into the castle

-Some need for Gendry is established(a blacksmith by trade, on an island with dragons? I’ve seen someone else mention valyrian steel swords — arn’t dragons needed for that process?)

-We see them departing KL by boat with Gendry in tow.

It’s different circumstances. Here he’s KITN, he’s traveled a longer and riskier distance by land and sea and he’s meeting a leader he doesn’t know. He’s also on an island that is some distance away from the North (for what we assume is a peaceful diplomatic mission) and his boat and weapons are taken away. At least with the Mormonts and Glovers there’s a pre-existent and/or closer relationship and there was nothing that implied he was not allowed to leave. Idk I’m worried.

I’m not targeting other posters or actors. What’s your problem with people not liking this or that fictional character? Everyone has all the right in the world to have their own opinion on them, whether it’s negative or positive. I interpret what I see my way, you your way. You disagree with what I think of her, then fine, it’s you business.

The very first Westerosi Lord, King even, Daenerys encounters and she takes him hostage. That’s some ‘good’ politicking.

Well I can’t actually see that the Dothraki are holding Longclaw, but even if thats the case they’ve probably confiscated any weapons in the presence of their Queen, for obvious reason and no doubt at Grey worms insistence. Its really no different to hanging their sword-belts on pegs.

I didn’t even say I disagreed with you, but it’s telling that you believed I did. My problems, as I have stated repeatedly, are not with your opinions, but with how hatefully you spew them, and how often, without contributing literally anything else to the conversation. You are

close to being considered a troll. And no, that would not be censorship, because as I said, this is not a public forum and I am not the government. In case you didn’t read it before: This is not an issue of freedom of speech. Imagine this website as someone else’s house. The doors are open, but it still is someone else’s house. You are invited to join in, but if you’re being an asshole, or even if you just say something the owner doesn’t like, you can get kicked out. Do you understand now? You could be saying things that I agree with wholeheartedly, but if that’s literally anything you do and you do it in the most vile way possible, yes, we’re gonna have a problem.

I’m not worried about that. In that video with Jon/Dany she didn’t have guards with her so she trusts him and he didn’t bow or kneel. They were talking as equals.

Theon will be on Dragonstone, but reagarding others – yes. There absence is one more clue that Dragonstone will happen after Dany fails to meet with her allies and loses the naval battle with Euron.

And that’s definitely a new wig. More lighter and I’m SO glad it doesn’t look so blonde anymore.

I wouldn’t be worried. We saw the video from the other day of Jon approaching Dany with no guards. This is just their initial meeting, so I imagine these are just precautions Dany has to make as she has no idea what Jon’s “true” intentions are yet.

Can anybody recognize any directors in the pictures?That would be great.

Some nice close ups there. Dany’s outfit looks great. Are those dragons engraved shoulder pads?

Yes, Jon has never seen a dragon. It’s a natural reaction to get to the ground! However, I’m betting Jon takes to Rhaegal or vice versa very quickly. He’ll ride him back to Winterfell. Yes! I’m wearing tinfoil now.;)

Well lets raise a glass for the crappiest of UK tabloids 🙂

Dany also has some little crown or something on her head.

So I guess they really will take the weapons. And maybe the boat too. I get the point. But I don’t like it.

Has anyone managed to determine what director/s is present?

It may help us to decipher future leaked info as well as sequence of events (although I’m mindful of the fact this also usually leads to mass arguments about what happens when, and from the same people).

So if Gendry/Davos/Tyrion are in 704 or 705, does that mean he’s already at Dragonstone with Team Dany before Jon and Davos arrive?

As for Jaime, I think he will recall his scene with Jon in 102. So much of that scene was, I think, Jaime seeing Jon’s naivety about the Night’s Watch and remembering his own feelings, at roughly the same age, when he joined the Kingsguard.But it would be good for him to refer back to it – a comment that he’d thought Jon was supposed to join the Night’s Watch, perhaps.

It’s a non-book scene in S1 but it must’ve been put there for a reason… So, I’m speculating that Jaime and Jon will meet again. In the books,

Jaime feels really guilty about not being able to save and protect

. He also reads the White Book and contemplates on the “kingmaker” KG, bad and good. Even mentions this to Ser Loras, who he sees as his younger, arrogant self. At a time when he’s been crippled and humbled, rejected by Cersei, and thinking deeply of knightly vows – thanks to Brienne.

The show has omitted those things, so far, so his story in the show is quite different. But the fact remains that Jaime and Jon had an encounter in S1. Cynical and urbane Jaime being mocking about vows for life to the young, naive, idealistic and angry young bastard. I think Jaime saw something of his younger self in Jon, and mocked it because of the way his life turned out. But he’s in a different place now, as is Jon, and if Jaime gets to know of Jon’s parentage…

Talking about interesting encounters in these last two seasons. I’d love Jaime to meet Bran. He tried to kill the kid, which lead to Bran becoming the Three-eyed raven… and, in the books,

Jaime expresses some regret and even remorse about it. He’s taking a look at himself and isn’t happy with what he’s seeing.

OK, I’m a Jaime fangirl 😀 so maybe trying to spin these things the best possible way, haha! I know there are

forgive Jaime, and I won’t argue with them because nothing I say will change their minds. I only say this: GRRM (and D&D following him) very deliberately made Jaime a more sympathetic character by book 3/S3. I don’t think he’ll survive to the end but I hope he’ll die in some honourable way, getting some redemption.

I think Gendry is in KL and not Dragonstone. Tyrion and Davos meet him there but I’m not sure of this, it’s just my opinion.

It looks like something meant to keep her braids together. It’s certainly smaller than Margaery’s crown last season.

I think Gendry is in KL and not Dragonstone. Tyrion and Davos meet him there but I’m not sure of this, it’s just my opinion.

How would Tyrion be anywhere near KL without being spotted and why would him and Davos be going there?

So I guess they really will take the weapons. And maybe the boat too. I get the point. But I don’t like it.

This. I get it why it has to be this way, but I still don’t like it. I know I will get very angry when I see the Dothraki take Longclaw away from Jon on screen lol.

oh yeah, knowing when this first meeting happens would shed so much light on so many things. Can we spot any of the GOT directors there?

I think the general consensus is that the scene was in KL because of the Gold Cloaks.Tyrion is travelling with a smuggler so that helps in the not being spotted department.And they could go there for a number of reasons and apparently they meet up with Gendry there.

I like your speculation except for Littlefinger. Since Varys and Tyrion are advising Dany, I don’t think either one of them trust Littlefinger enough to send him any ravens just yet.

If this episode is indeed #5 in season 8, Littlefinger may no longer be an issue to worry about… OR he may very likely be up to something that will get settled once and for all by the end of this season. Or not. LOL!

Now as to my own further speculation, I have a feeling that before Dany gets to Dragonstone, there will be a sea battle with Euron,if he is chasing after Yara and Theon. If he decides to go to KL instead, to seek an alliance with Cersei I doubt it will end well for him, but who knows.I wonder if Qyburn’s little birds are good enough to know what’s really going on outside KL?

We also have to deal with the Riverlands. If Jaime knows Walder Frey & sons are gone, and if Edmure has re-taken his home, Jaime may head for the Riverlands, and he may ask Littlefinger’s help. Unless he is smart enough to see that LF is no ally.

As far as Cersei is concerned LF had permission to take Winterfell and hold it. She gave it to him. But if Jaime knows Sansa and Jon are at WF, ( thru Brienne) and that LF has allied with the Starks, Jaime will have to deal with all that. In any event it’ll get him out of KL and away from scary Cersei.

Just want to add that I’m looking forward to a reunion between Arya & Gendry.

Thanks so much for all these pictures and spoilers! I never mind spoilers unless they actually tell me the ending, or that someone important dies. But as for day to day plot developments or scenes I’m good.

After all. Shakespeare has been done a million times and we don’t seem to mind “spoilers for Hamlet or Othello, or Macbeth, or Richard III. It’s all good.

Luka, I really appreciate your work. Thank you!!

They must have heard that the Greatest Swordsman Who Ever Walked™ would be turning up wearing his steel dress and wanted to take a gander at a legend.

Either that or Tyrion was worried that Sansa forgot to mention that their forced marriage went unconsummated.

Thanks for the link! Such a beautiful place! Dragonstone, that is, next season! And I can see Staz Nair! 😀

Didn’t you watch the video of Tyrion/Davos/Gendry with the gold cloaks? Don’t know what they were doing in KL but they were there.

That picture of Emilia is from when Dany arrives, right? Dress looks nice.

Is the guy walking with glasses Mark Myloid or not?I can’t tell

I just LOVE how wonderfully dressed everyone is at Dragonstone, Dothraki and Unsullied, and of course the people in charge!

Roz’s Ghost: I like your speculation except for Littlefinger. Since Varys and Tyrion are advising Dany, I don’t think either one of them trust Littlefinger enough to send him any ravens just yet.

If this episode is indeed #5 in season 8, Littlefinger may no longer be an issue to worry about

No ravens to LF. Ravens to Jon and Robyn, for the North and the Vale. Also, I think this would be either Ep. 3 or 4. By 5, Tyrion and Davos are already on a mission.

In the show Sansa and Tyrion even shared a joke about how they’re… well, jokes. The traitor’s daughter and the Imp. That bonding ended when the news of the Red Wedding came.

Sansa is a lot less OK with the marriage but later reflects that Tyrion was, indeed, kind to her, and thinks of him semi-fondly when facing other marriage prospects. Not Ramsay Bolton in the books, just the little shit Sweetrobin or pumped-up, arrogant jock shit Harry the Heir.

Why he be going to dragonpit? Davos seems to represents him, He needs to go North afte this meeting reporting to Sansa and others what he saw. Possibly taking dragonglass if Dany is willing to have him that. He’s KitN after all and that means being in the Noth nd notjust on travels.

Maybe it’s just Davos and Brienne. It seems even later in the season and Jon got to be in the North later on. Just can’t ander around Dragonstone, King’s Landing. What sort of KitN would that be?

Is the guy walking with glasses Mark Myloid or not?I can’t tell

Well it does look like him based on this image I googled http://www.cheatsheet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Mark-Mylod-e1405523308699.jpg?6bf829

He appears to be wearing the same shirt and headphones LOL The hair and his stance looks similar. So yes, so far I think your guess may be the correct one

Oh gods, it’s so hard to keep up with the comments. I respond to one and meanwhile at least a score or two appear.

That’s why I love these filming spoilers, it gets all the fans into a hype and a frenzy of commenting, haha! 😀

Hi Inga *waving* My first thought on seeing these was that some of the Dothraki look like they are wearing doormats. But could this be the rough looking woven material we couldn’t figure out which was being dipped in water in your favourite In Production video? 🤔

He can’t leave even if he wanted to. They took his weapon, guards and boat away.

Well I think it’s fair to say that this will not be DS. The castle will be included post production with hugely impressive CGI.

They’re only using the walkways to act as an entryway to Dragonstone, presumably.

The building just served as a logical base for cast and crew.

Question, since pics from Bilbao showed a red priestess and they stated it was Melissandra, can it be possible that after KITN banished her from the North that she traveled to White Harbor and went back to Dragonstone? I mean it would make more sense than her going thru the Riverlands. Plus we don’t really know the timeline between the burning of the sept and BoTB and leaving Mereen. We know that eventually Dany has to go North and Melissandra would likely go with her and that’s how we will see the whole Arya/Melissandra/Gendry reunion? My tinfoil is high today bare with me!!!

Dragonstone is a no-brainer as Dany’s headquarters. It’s strategically perfect: “its command of the sea lanes passing into or out of Blackwater Bay, to and from King’s Landing, give it an ideal strategic value,” http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Dragonstone_(island)

It should work for Dany’s armada, as this is where the Targs, then Robert, kept the fleet.

It’s historically and symbolically apt for a Targ return, as it was the original seat of House Targaryen in Westeros. It’s also Dany’s birthplace.

…and it’s not all that small. It was the base for the Targs, who had dragons and armies and people with them. There were apparently dragon hatcheries there. Then there is obsidian.

It’s easier to try to spot the director when they’re filming, it’d be the one behind the big camera lol

I don’t think people really care about Arya’s needs at this point. Or Arya in general. Especially not after the big three meet up.

In the scene where Dany and Jon are speaking, all alone together, does anyone think they know , at this time, that they are related?

IMO,so far Dany is being modeled after Elizabeth I – the overlooked daughter who outlives her siblings and becomes a strong, almost warrior like queen, childless and overbearing, but also capable of inspiring people under her command. Even the whole Daario fits Elizabeth.

You bring an interesting idea: Dany might develop into a Victoria and Jon certainly has some of Albert traits- intelligence and restraint comes to mind . Albert brought emotional stability to Victoria and strong family values, two things that Dany was denied so far. It is almost a perfect fit.

I have no idea how the book will end, but I could see Dany becoming pregnant from Jon in the TV show and Jon somehow “betraying” her and leaving for war without her knowledge and assistance.

The problem, of course, is reality>. For those who believe Dany will die and Jon will survive, I am sorry to say through History, men went to war and died fighting, while women stayed behind, bore children and kept the family together.

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Well, Gendry doesn’t like Mel or Arya at this point. Probably hates meeting them, if I remember that last scene with Davos correctly? Nothing good ever came from being around high-borns or something like that?

Later on Jon can approach Dany without guards, Jon and Davos are going around without guards. Means they’re friendly and trusts them. Not everyone can be with Dany alone, she must’ve trust in him like with Tyrion, Jorah before or Daario. Means, Jon can leave for the North and report to Sansa what he saw or even bring dragonglass.

He’s not her hostage or puppet. He’s KitN for a reason and also it would make Dany look bad keeping KitN hostage or against his will at Dragonstone. At that point they’re allies or friends.

I dont think so Arya had a Big fan (Show and Book) community Myself included…. HBO knows that too… when they post pics/tweets about her usually have a lot like a retweets… and she is the second favorite character of George’s after Tyrion 🙂

It should work for Dany’s armada, as this is where the Targs, then Robert, kept the fleet.

It’s historically and symbolically apt for a Targ return, as it was the original seat of House Targaryen in Westeros. It’s also Dany’s birthplace.

…and it’s not all that small. It was the base for the Targs, who had dragons and armies and people with them. There were apparently dragon hatcheries there. Then there is obsidian.

Exactly! There have been a lot of comments from various parties that DS isn’t sufficiently resourced to sustain Dany’s huge armada but I’m guessing they’ll be pretty well provisioned. If they had enough supplies to get them from slavers bay to Westeros then I’m sure they’re enough to sustain themselves until the supplies come in by sea from the Reach and Dorne.

Jon could have turned his weapon over willingly. Maybe on Tyrion’s or Missandei’s insistence as the rule for meeting Dany, maybe his own idea as a show of trust. And the Dothraki are moving the boat, we just don’t know how far or why.

I don’t think people really care about Arya’s needs at this point. Or Arya in general. Especially not after the big three meet up.

You are right. This post is about Dany, Jon, Tyrion, Davos etc. Because those are the filming news we have. If we ever get pics (the security in NI is much tighter) we will discuss her. Until then stop you juvenile whining.

you know what I’m basing that comment on, unless you haven’t read it

I don’t know about that. It seemed like he blamed her for contributing to getting him in the situation in the first place.

Anyway, I think people overblow the whole Arya and Gendry thing. They didn’t have many scenes together and when they did, the scenes weren’t impactful.

He can’t leave even if he wanted to. They took his weapon, guards and boat away.

I don’t think you can interpret all that from simply these pictures. Yes they took away his weapon, which is common sense imo. And the Dothraki move the boat out of the water. I’m sure if he let Tyrion or Dany know that he wanted to leave, he’d be allowed. We see from the other spoiler pics that Tyrion and Davos go to Kings Landing together, and that Jon and Dany will have a personal scene with no guards. So it appears they’re clearly allied.

I was assuming that they’d have the original, main Dragonstone castle that they had used before in a shot or two and this is just supposed to be a part of it that we haven’t seen before. A sort of beach house outbuilding of sorts…

I have no idea how the book will end, but I could see Dany becoming pregnant from Jon in the TV show and Jon somehow “betraying” her and leaving for war without her knowledgeand assistance.

I have this feeling. The minute Jon was resurrected, it was only for one purpose kill NK and defeat white walkers with Dany, Tyrion and co. I love him to bits but I can see George pulling this twist from under his rug and kill Jon at the end for the second time.

His resurrection scene gave people thoughts that he’s safe until the end, only to be killed for real. As, he saw there is nothing at all at the end.

Thorne made a comment that he’s going to be fighting their battles forever= could mean that he’ll never find a peace and will be wandering in darkness for the rest of his life. Saving the world with others but becoming hero that could’ve been the King and his confrontation with NK at Hradhome seeems to indicate these two are set up to be adversaries and meet on the battle.

Also his father Rhaegar was killed at the final battle. If the last battle is at Trident as Dany saw it in the books, all the more likely.

Yeah, Jon being legitmate and possibly claim to iron throne. I could see him being as reluctant King but rescurrected people are probably gonna die. Beric gave up his life, LS might too. In the show i expect same. More inclining to him being killed than being a King as his arc.

wow ! So should we all worship dany in this site now because some of the writers here does? is that a new rule or something? Snark comments about Jon are totally ok, but when it’s dany no one can say a thing…. nice. I thought sites like this were supposed to be imparcial.

I disagree, however. I think that being very leery of Lannisters is in the Starks best interest. It was Tywin who was behind the Red Wedding. Tyrion killing him does not mean to me that Lannisters are off the hook for that. And I’m including Tyrion as a Lannister, of course. 🙂

They had a beautiful relationship and it was impactful. She even call hi mto be her family or in other words I love you. Their scenes were good and remember Ned said to Arya she would marry a Lord and have children. Ned and Robert wanted to combine their lines. Arya and Gendry makes most sense.

I hope you don’t mean leaks from reddit? This is their arrival, later on Jon is free to walk around and can leave if he wants.

What I love about filming spoilers is that it gets everybody zinging this way and that, off the walls, mad with anticipation and theories.

That’s why WotW is a great place to be during the off-season. OTT wild speculation due to “leaks” on other sites get no truck here, instead, most commentators are fairly level-headed and restrict their speculation to the actual filming spoilers.

I like speculation as much as the next person (I enjoy Inga’s very creative speculations even if I don’t agree with most of them – but, hey! It’s good to have a vivid imagination and think outside the box!) and that’s just what I like. Speculation. Some filming spoilers to feed it. I do not want to have the full story before the season.

I admire people like Dee and Mihnea who try to stay away from every spoiler. I don’t have that degree of self-control. But then, I never felt spoilers really spoiled anything for me. I can enjoy a film/TV show even if I know what’s happening. The anticipation is even more intense and I want to see how it’s all done.

But, each to their own, it’s not bad to wish to be unsullied, and we sulllied should try to respect the unsullied/unspoiled people.

(I’ll probaby never comment on an unsullied post on WotW for fear of accidentally spoiling something because I thought it was common knowlwdge that…)

Apollo: Well I think it’s fair to say that this will not be DS. The castle will be included post production with hugely impressive CGI.

They’re only using the walkways to act as an entryway to Dragonstone, presumably.

Clob: I was assuming that they’d have the original, main Dragonstone castle that they had used before in a shot or two and this is just supposed to be a part of it that we haven’t seen before.A sort of beach house outbuilding of sorts…

Geralt of Rivia: I have this feeling. The minute Jon was resurrected, it was only for one purpose kill NK and defeat white walkers with Dany, Tyrion and co. I love him to bits but I can see George pulling this twist from under his rug and kill Jon at the end for the second time.

His resurrection scene gave people thoughts that he’s safe until the end, only to be killed for real. As, he saw there is nothing at all at the end.

Bear in mind that MMDs prophecy kind of hints towards Dany’s death, as did her vision in the HOTU in S2.

Thats not to say that Jon will survive either… I suspect that very few of the main characters survive to the very end.

They’re a forbidden subject here. But no, he said that Jon stays at Dragonstone as a “guest” (notice the quotation marks, he’s not really a guest in the purest sense of the word) because he can’t leave as they took his weapon and boat away and did not bother to give them back to him after the talks. He stays on the island while Dany goes off to attack the Lannister forces. Why is he forced to stay there? Why does he stay if he’s not?

Nothing- they used internal sets and CGI with shots superimposed onto the Antrim coast.

That was kinda my point… that building won’t be DS because it’s clearly not a Castle, and hasn’t been dressed as such.

None. It was CGI and it will be again. They didn’t film in the house at the top of Gaztelugatxe, just the stairway.

When did Jamie express any regret over what he did to Bran in the books? From what I remember, and granted I could be wrong because I have not read them in a while, Jamie never expresses any true regret for the injuries caused to the 8 year-old Bran. Jamie regrets the trouble his pushing of Bran off the tower brought him but never actually regrets the actual hurt he caused the boy. Does he understand that what he did was morally wrong? Yes he does but also states that he would do it again. Other than coming back and saving Brienne from the bear, Jamie’s nature is to be super selfish though he has shown some minuscule glimpses of decency from time to time. When reading the books and comparing Theon and Jamie chapters, the contrast in true regret is notable. Theon feels complete guilt and it has nothing to do with his own self image but with knowing and understanding that his actions were appallingly wrong. Jamie is ever more aware of his failings and shows an understanding of his own persona but his awareness still very much wrapped up in how his actions keep affecting him and his development into the type of person he wishes he could be. His ‘regrets’ have little to do with his victims.

talvikorppi: I admire people like Dee and Mihnea who try to stay away from every spoiler. I don’t have that degree of self-control. But then, I never felt spoilers really spoiled anything for me. I can enjoy a film/TV show even if I know what’s happening. The anticipation is even more intense and I want to see how it’s all done.

I don’t mind spoilers like this too much, not knowing exactly what’s going on or anything being said. Before passing the books if we got spoilers it was sometimes easy to tie them to events I’d read. That was more of a spoiler in a way and it never made it worse watching when it aired.

Jay Targ: I don’t think you can interpret all that from simply these pictures.Yes they took away his weapon, which is common sense imo.And the Dothraki move the boat out of the water.I’m sure if he let Tyrion or Dany know that he wanted to leave, he’d be allowed.We see from the other spoiler pics that Tyrion and Davos go to Kings Landing together, and that Jon and Dany will have a personal scene with no guards.So it appears they’re clearly allied.

they also didnt have their weapons when they were with Lyanna Mormont. Its just common sense that you dont take your weapon with you if you have a friendly meeting with another monarch.

None. It was CGI and it will be again. They didn’t film in the house at the top of Gaztelugatxe, just the stairway.

This. I was referring to the cgi shot(s) we saw before and thinking maybe they’d use that for backdrop. When Davos is dropped off after being recovered off the rock after the BotBW is what I remembered: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoQhOFR7vU0

But shouldn’t that other monarch also come to the meeting with no weapons/guards? That’s putting one side at a disadvantageous position. They don’t know her, she could order her men to do to them whatever she wants. Why should one monarch be armed and protected while the other completely defenseless?

Someone made it to Zumaia to take pictures 🙂

Except that Grey Worm (Jacob Andrew, and we

he’s been there from pics from the Guggenheim Museum) and a couple of Unsullied, in their new, warmer uniforms, were papped a day or two ago during the filming on the Gaxte…. causeway.

But the Martells (Ellaria and the Sand Snacks) and the Tyrells (Lady Olenna) haven’t been spotted so maybe they’re somewhere else.

Apparently Alfie Allen (Theon) is there in the Basque country, so he’ll appear in these scenes. Either he’s at Dragonstone or they’ll use the Basque locations for other places as well – they’re apparently using the Barrika beach as a place in KL (Davos, Tyrion, Gendry, goldcloaks). I don’t know where Theon fits into in all this but he’s there.

So it’s our ol buddy pap4u who’s taken these and sold them to the Daily Mail/Sun.

I’d wondered if he was around due to his response to Carice on Twitter (which in a roundabout way confirms Carice was also in the area on Sunday).

Sigh… This may blow your mind, but I prefer Jon to Dany. I WAS being impartial. That was the point; not what he was saying, but how he said it, and the fact that spewing vile on Dany was lliterally the only thing he was doing, for the last few weeks, in every news article. This is supposed to be a friendly, adult, civilized community. Such hatred and troll-like baiting behavior is not welcome.

I can’t wait for a Tyrion and Jon reunion/catch up. That is going to be awesome to see!

Aaah, I’m beyound happy. It’s Jon extending the hand… the Tyrion taking it.

Oh, and I love how Dany’s Dothraki have been provided for the winter. They all seem to be wearing a wrapped-up warm blanket across the shoulder. Some even wear fur. They’ll be fine. And the Unsullied will be fine, apparently they’ve now got jumpers to wear underneath their leather gear. 🙂

Awesome shots! And looks like Jon offered his hand first 😃. But at the same time noooooooo!!!!! Who is going to get our pics of Arya?!! Go back to Ireland pretty please with sugar on top!!

That too. It can really go either way with them but I wouldn’t be surprised with their deaths. They’re messiah, saviors or heroes to defeat white walkers. It might even mirror Rhaegar and Lyanna. He died on the battlefield and she in childbirth and all the talk about Dany’s ability to bear a living child.

This would be awesome, makes me smile. 😊

Well even in the Lyanna Mormont scene, as Taim mentioned, her guards have their swords on them while Jon and Davos didn’t. It’s probably best to judge the scene as it happens on screen rather than based on what someone might have said on reddit.

That was great. I love Lando-Han style fakeouts! Hopefully something like that happens 🙂

talvikorppi: Except that Grey Worm (Jacob Andrew, and we

he’s been there from pics from the Guggenheim Museum) and a couple of Unsullied, in their new, warmer uniforms, were papped a day or two ago during the filming on the Gaxte…. causeway.

But the Martells (Ellaria and the Sand Snacks) and the Tyrells (Lady Olenna) haven’t been spotted so maybe they’re somewhere else.

Didn’t Keisha Castle- Hughes (Obara) and Jessica Henwick (Nymeria) film at the end of August/early September? I’m not sure if Rosabell Laurenti Sellers (Tyene Sand), Indira Varma (Ellaria), or Diana Ruth (Olenna) have filmed yet.

I was wondering if he’d go there. Expect more pro photos in the coming days.

Look at the Queen! She’s beautiful. I can’t wait to see her at Dragonstone. It’s going to be glorious.

Tyrion and Missandei are also looking rather sharp. Team Dany is looking all sorts of fly.

I hope that UNILAD FB post is wrong. If it’s true Sh*ts about to get LIT AF!!! #WIGHTDRAGON

For some reason I can’t stop laughing at this comment

Dark Lark: OK, so Jon needs to thank the man who forcibly wed his sister so the Lannisters could try and get their hands on Winterfell?

Tyrion was nothing but respectful and kind to Sansa despite not being in a great position himself, which opened him up to jibes from Tywin, Joffrey and Cersei. He even tried to engage her with conversation and comfort her when she was clearly upset.

I thought it was touching that on the show she kneeled for him to put on her cape, instead of refusing and making him embarrassed as was in the books. That was kind as well.

Luka Nieto spoiler boy 👦 thanks for all the good job

Yes but they were blurry ..would have loved better quality of them

Don´t get angry, just accept sexy times for Dany and Jon are coming!

Clob: I don’t mind spoilers like this too much, not knowing exactly what’s going on or anything being said.Before passing the books if we got spoilers it was sometimes easy to tie them to events I’d read.That was more of a spoiler in a way and it never made it worse watching when it aired.

Yeah, I got into GoT the TV show when some friends recommended it, and I watched S3 totally unsullied. I had no idea what had happened in S1 & S2 but I loved it. Then got the DVDs, the books… But this maybe explains my Jaime fangirlism. The first time I saw him was Brienne pushing him through a hedge and him being sarky and fun. I didn’t know I’m supposed to hate Jaime for the Bran thing.

It was so great reading books 1-5 between S3 and S4 of the show. I’m a hopeless fangirl. I dont even own a TV-set but get an online subscription to get my GoT 24 hrs after the US screening on my laptop or tablet.

Some people just come here to get rid of their own negative emotions through trolling. I love both Dany and Jon, I am looking forward to sexy times and I thank you for the good work and for trying to put some sense into this comments section

I expect the fact Sansa and Tyrion married could be fairly useful here. They could technically forget the whole thing with Ramsay and declare it still valid. I hope they make that past connection part of the scenes between Jon and Tyrion.

It’s based on leaks that are nonsense. Because if theyre true, that would’ve been literally character assassination for Jon.

Some people just come here to get rid of their own negative emotions through trolling.

I love both Dany and Jon, I am looking forward to sexy times and I thank you for the good work and for trying to put some sense into this comments section

you dont know if that will really happen, and the leaks still can be wrong and stuff is made up.

You’re right. Let’s just wait until we can enjoy those sexy times, if they come 😛

Dany could also die in childbirth, if she gets pregnant, but in keeping with the reality of war in middle ages, Jon is more likely to die in battle. He is a great field commander and he often engages in the vanguard. That he did not die in battle by now is almost a miracle.

AHHHH its not even 2017!! How are we supposed to wait until Season 7??!?!?!? Omg, and its going to be a short season too!

I can’t wait to see the finished product! I love all the theories 🙂

Medieval monarchs were often absent from their realms for long periods whilst on campaign. Hell, Robb never set foot in the northern part of his kingdom after he was crowned.

As far as Cersei is concerned LF had permission to take Winterfell and hold it.

No, as Littlefinger himself noted, soon everyone will know that he aided the Starks in crushing the Boltons. He’s now an enemy of the Iron Throne.

Jon Snow is single and ready to mingle;Dany just happens to be single, up for anything and they are both spending quality time together. Plus, there is a war, and people often try to find comfort and warmth.

If they do not “engage in battle” by the send of this season…well, that would be unexpected!

and they are aunt and nephew lol. If there is something going to happen between those two and Jon finds out later that she is his aunt, he will be freaked out lol.

Not really applicable to the series, seeing as unlike women in real history, Dany rides a firebreathing dragon and will definitely be on the front lines of the conflict.

This doesn’t mean she’ll die, by any means, but the risk will absolutely be there.

taim: and they are aunt and nephew lol. If there is something going to happen between those two and Jon finds out later that she is his aunt, he will be freaked out lol.

taim: you dont know if that will really happen, and the leaks still can be wrong and stuff is made up.

You are correct. It is all speculation based on the pictures and every year during filming it is like that. People theorize and put their own expectations into the theory. The only thing we know is that Jon and Davos are meeting Dany and company on Dragonstone and a Tyrion /Davos trip to possibly KL and somehow Gendry appears. Speculations is half of the fun reading filming news.

You can’t call something character assassination if you don’t see how it plays out,the context,the reasons etc.Not to talk about you know what but clearly he got some shit right.I find there is no use to judge something without seeing it onscreen first.

I think no, they do not know they are related. I get the feeling Jon will leave for the South before Bran gets there to tell him or show him.

Priscila, Aunt and Nephew ? Really ? I know they’re Targaryen but…

Yes, you are right, but so am I. Context is all: women bear children, if Dany gets pregnant, Jon would never let her join the fighting.

There are so many “ifs”, however this is the feeling I am having right now.

Somebody mentioned House of the Undying. In the TV show, Dany chooses not to sit on the Iron Throne, Red Keep all but destroyed, she crosses to the Wall and experience Winter, then she sees Drogo and her son. She talks to them, but she chooses not to stay in this reality, but to keep moving on.

I understand how people see this as her future; she fights the WW, dies and goes to heaven. But why not to consider she actually walked away from this heaven? If much, this seems to indicate the force of her free will; her future will be determined by the choices she makes in this scenario she was born to experience.

It could be that they did not know their family ties by the time some “pillow fight” is done. Or they simply don´t care, because they were not raised as family.

It’s nice to see the Dothraki made it to shore instead of being drowned by Euron’s hypothetical, self-aware, racist storm.

They’re not wasting time, right? It’s right to a meeting of several major characters! I wonder if this scene comes toward the beginning of the season or more toward the end?

I hope it’s close to the beginning, because I want to see these people REALLY interact.

See, the Dothraki aren’t so dumb that they don’t know to put on a sweater when it’s cold outside!

He will probably marry her right after the ” riding the dragon” happens; we all know Jon is serious and cannot stand the idea of bringing illegitimate children in the world…

Jon would never “let her”? Ha. Dany does what she wants. Forget Jon.

People forget how Jon’s promotions work. Every time he rejects or puts aside one title, he gets chosen for another one. He got passed over for ranger, only to be assigned to Commander Mormont instead. The two times he’s rejected Lord of Winterfell, he ended up becoming Lord Commander and KitN, respectively. If Jon were to ever hypothetically give up KitN, assuming that he leaves Winterfell before Bran gets there and thus doesn’t know his true parentage yet, what do you think will happen next? This guy only knows how to fail upwards.

I’m not too concerned about any of it, because I’m one of those weird Jon fans who just wants him to save the world, reunite with what’s left of his family, and then maybe spend the rest of winter backpacking through the free cities. Try the street food, take in a show or two. Just be as happy and content as somebody who lost half of their family, had their little brother and first love murdered in front of them, and remembers being stabbed to death could possibly be once the dust settles. I’ve resigned myself to the likelihood that his ultimate fate is either going to be self-sacrifice or a kingship he doesn’t really want, so I’ll pretty much take any happy Jon I can get in the meantime. Even if that means potentially watching him bone his aunt. Poor guy’s been through one hell of a dry spell, so I wouldn’t blame him – it’s literally been a lifetime since he’s gotten laid.

I can’t help but wonder though : is there no way Jon still thinks Tyrion was responsible for Bran’s accident ? That was once a popular theory among Starks…

Wait, what? I’ll never click to the toxic Daily Hail, the most righ-wing, fascist tabloid in the UK. Can you just give a summary of their story? Or maybe it’s just rehashed filming spoilers we’ve had from European sources anyway. Their hypocrisy knows no limits.

Robb was literally made a King during his war campaign. Jon is still preparing for the war. In the history Kings often stayed outside of their Kingdoms but this is different. He’s got white wakers and he has to be there preparing.

He could be at Dragonstone for 2 episodes, as they might be longer than last season, but then he has to report back and prepare. They’re in the first line of attack from them. Hardly these negotiations will take half of the season or more than 2 episodes, what is Jon going to do south for longer than 2 episodes? Just wander around, looking at sunset or chatting with others. He has responsbilities, while Sansa is acting as a ruler in his stead but he is a King.

Catelyn was the one who accused Tyrion, though, and Jon of all people knows how Catelyn’s judgment could be compromised by her prejudices.

This is exactly my though process lol.Thanks for entering my mind and presenting it to the world in much more eloquent words.

No worries, I generally enjoy poking around in other people’s minds. And don’t sell yourself short! I think you’re pretty dead on in how you present things.

He or she got something right but how can he/she know exact emotional expressions of characters, when he/she messed up plot points?

Just to read it. Jon being kept at DS, kneeling, making eyes at each other. He should be doing something more important and actualy helping his Kingdom. Don’t think Jon would fall for someone who is burning Targ loyalists, sex on the boat on to of it. It sounds like fanfic.

Pigeon: Tyrion was nothing but respectful and kind to Sansa despite not being in a great position himself, which opened him up to jibes from Tywin, Joffrey and Cersei. He even tried to engage her with conversation and comfort her when she was clearly upset.

I was happy Sansa stood up for herself in the books and didn’t kneel. I liked the fact that Tyrion was embarrassed, as he well should have been. He deserved to be for going through with it. He’s a grown man who couldn’t stand up to Daddy until well after Daddy had already killed Robb and Cat and Tyrion had no where else to go and thought his life was over before Varys saved him.

On the show, Shae begged Tyrion to run away with her. He could have. He didn’t, he said, no, I’m a Lannister.

And everyone does seem to forget that the Hound was kind to Sansa and even asked her to leave with him, to get her out of King’s Landing. As it turns out, we find out he wasn’t such a ‘bad’ guy (I thought this wasn’t supposed to be about good v. bad, anyway). The Hound eventually cared for Arya, a girl who was trying to kill him.

Therefore, in my eyes, the Hound was kinder to Sansa than Tyrion ever was. At least he tried to get her away from the capital. Tyrion just left her there, rotting away after his family killed hers. And no joking by either by either character prior to that event changes the raw truth for me.

Others keep/kept saying he can’t leave The North because he has to prepare. My point has been that he has a meager force in The North and just sitting up there preparing them is a losing effort. He should have other men (commanders) helping him prepare those forces, but, the MOST important thing he can do to prepare is enlarge the force. Lord (Cerwyn) certainly isn’t going to drum up much support. Jon’s already said that all of the 7K may not be enough against the NK, but at least they’d have a chance.

I think there’s a possibility that Daenerys agrees to help him, but since Cersei and Euron don’t believe in the stories all of their aggression is against Daenerys and she can’t help Jon until they’re dealt with. Since the The Wall is standing perhaps Jon makes a ‘trade’ to help her first…

restoresoff, The betrayal for love, Jon leaving Dany behind…

I think the men with the dust mops wiping away the tracks on the sand are the coolest thing ever!

You can say the leak’s nonsense, but it’s like 6:0 so far. Quite a few of the spoilers from it already confirmed. So yes expect character assassination for Jon. And not just him.

Basque Country, Baskenland… >>> Spoilerland, Spoiler Country… >>> Spoileros…

You’ve just described the type of Jon fan I am! My ultimate dream for Jon is for him to find love again, a healthy relationship, have children, build a family of his own and continue to have strong ties with his siblings, all of them. In my perfect world, Jon wouldn’t find out about his origin story because that is going to wreck him but if he does, he would keep the information to himself so as to not be pulled into the snake pit that is Kings Landing. Let others sit on that ugly chair, Jon doesn’t deserve that type of punishment. I think Jon would be happy ruling the North but if that is not to be, then he should at least be left alone to live life as he pleases. But this is my beloved Jon, so I’m ready to cry when he eventually goes down in an attempt to do the right thing or even if he gets sentenced to a life of misery, wearing a crown and baring a title that he never pursued or wanted in the first place.

Childbirth in their world seems about equally dangerous as war on an individual level maybe even worse odds.

Who would be in charge of fostering if they has a kid and both died? Tyrion or one of the Starks? Lots of area ripe for speculation there but I don’t want Dany orJon to die so I’ll quit while I am ahead.

I don’t think that misinformation made its way to Jon. As far as we know at least. With Littlefinger lurking around perhaps he will try to sow the seeds of distrust again between Starks and Lannisters.

I don’t think so though. Jon and Tyrion look rather chummy in those photos.

Okay I’m going crazy but doesn’t this look like Marl Mylod next to Liam

It’s not the guy I thought before but maybe this time I’m right

HunterMac87: I think no, they do not know they are related. I get the feeling Jon will leave for the South before Bran gets there to tell him or show him.

How can House Tarly be considered “Targ loyalists” when apparently they back Cersei and they betray their own overloads (House Tyrell) to lay claim on the entire Reach. And I’d say that Jon is trying to help his kingdom by securing this alliance. But yes I agree that some of it does read like fanfic.

You know what I would describe as character assassination for my beloved Jon? If he threw a kid off a tower to hide an inappropriate relationship or if he somehow decided to sacrifice/burn Arya to the Lord of Light, or decided to kill or to stand by as someone else murdered one of his siblings. That would be so NOT Jon, it would be character assassination. Bending the knee because you believe that is the best way to save humanity = Jon.

You have just perfectly described what I want for Jon and also what I think will be his ultimate fate. If he doesn’t die he’ll end up as the reluctant unhappy king even though I just want him to sail off into the sunset and live his life for himself. Backpacking through Europe, err I mean Essos, sounds like a wonderful adventure for Jon. But if his fate is to die in the big battle, any happiness he can get before then (even if it’s banging his aunt) he should embrace it.

I agree with this. Tyrion is my second favorite character but I agree. I admire Sansa for not kneeling, everything else was taken away from her. Sort of like, if you want to kill me, kill me, only I will die standing up. She was brave.

One of the things that’s so interesting about these debates is when discussions about dream sequences, prophesies and the like are interpreted. We ve had 20 years to wait for what we have anticipated will happen. But what we have to keep in mind is martins views on prophesy. Its not about predictable versus unpredictable but instead his attitude toward prophesy and how he plays it out. Jon and daenerys meeting has been forshadowed since the beginning, i think. Its not whether or not they meet as thats been forshadowed. What is subject to interpretation iz more the nature of their relationship. The hotud presents 3 treasons. One for blood, one for gold and one for love. I think the 1st betrayal happened with mirri maz duur. Betrayal for gold, not sure but maybe darrio? Betrayal for love? Maybe jon but that would mean he would betray her for love. So we see how many ways this could play out. I dont like to get too carried away like some books characters who chase prophesy. (Rhaegar, cersei) their whole life.I usually base my speculations on book and show material as well as grrm and d and d.as far as leeks, i dont usually pay attention until the filming has ended. There are a couple of spot on posters on reddit i follow.

You can say the leak’s nonsense, but it’s like 6:0 so far. Quite a few of the spoilers from it already confirmed. So yes expect character assassination for Jon. And not just him.

that guy could also know some stuff and made the rest up.

Look I suspect this conversation will be beaten to death in the next year or so but at this point I don’t think the writers would ever commit what you call character assassination.Everything will make sense in context they know the characters and have been building up to this for years even if it is not our preferred version of events.Even if Jon stays in the south most of the season that wouldn’t make him a bad King because honestly he doesn’t have jack shit to do in the north.He can’t win with the army he has.His only hope is Dany,her army and her dragons and staying to convince her seems like a good idea to me.Also everything sounds like fanfiction when you read it from a fourth hand account on reddit lol

Ha! I had never thought of that! I really like the promotions thing – very cool idea there 😃!! What else I find interesting is that Jon isn’t the first to take an office, take care of business then peace out. Wasn’t it Cregan Stark that came to KL as hand of the King, carried out a bunch of executions then quit and went back to Winterfell?!

I am right there with you that I want him to get his family together and be able to chill when this is all over with. It would be amazing to see a happy Jon…truly happy!! But I really worry that he isn’t going to be allowed a happily ever after because of the whole dying once already thing. So i am with you there! On the other side of that the people that work with magic seem to have extra long lives. Thorne told Jon he would be fighting their battles forever so I wonder if Jon will be like Blood Raven and Melissandre and live extra long. That would also suck to have to outlive them all!!

Something else I have been thinking about too is the Dothraki. We see they have some warmer outfits but I wonder how they would fare with the WW type cold! Plus, with the Dothraki ways I wonder how they are going to adapt or mesh with the Westerosi. The Dothraki are very open with sexuality and the Westerosi are very buttoned up so that would be interesting to see how they react to each other. Perhaps everyone battling together will give them common ground and those who do survive will have a mutual respect.

I agree, I saw the visions in the house of the undying as Dany’s temptations but she walked away from all of them to keep fighting and doing the right thing instead of giving in to her desires. Like I imagine she’ll walk away from the Iron Throne right when it’s in her sights to do the right thing and join her armies with the North against the WW.

Good ‘ol PAP4U !!! He certainly gets around lol 😀

Love Dany’s outfit, I see they are gonna be teasing us like last season having her wear slightly red off tones probably until the end of the season until she wears full on red like they did with black last season.

Thank You! That’s what I’ve been saying!

We’ve seen handshakes. Jon shook hands with Tyrion when the latter left Castle Black

Right after Tyrion took a piss! If i was Jon, i wouldn’t shake hands with Tyrion ever again!

Jon will get his alliance. There will be problems and tensions, but Dany will believe Jon – their hands or main negotiators might not be entirely happy. Northern lords wont be, nor all her subjects. (Cue trouble with LF, Cersei, Euron…)

I just wish everybody could see the bigger picture, but it ain’t gonna happen. Most of the lords will deny the facts until a wight or a white walker brutally kills him.

Judging from what we saw. Directors might be given episodes in this order.

Indeed! I hope they tighten security even more. 🙂 because is too tempting…

Danny: You’ve just described the type of Jon fan I am! My ultimate dream for Jon is for him to find love again, a healthy relationship, have children, build a family of his own and continue to have strong ties with his siblings, all of them. In my perfect world, Jon wouldn’t find out about his origin story because that is going to wreck him but if he does, he would keep the information to himself so as to not be pulled into the snake pit that is Kings Landing. Let others sit on that ugly chair, Jon doesn’t deserve that type of punishment. I think Jon would be happy ruling the North but if that is not to be, then he should at least be left alone to live life as he pleases. But this is my beloved Jon, so I’m ready to cry when he eventually goes down in an attempt to do the right thing or even if he gets sentenced to a life of misery, wearing a crown and baring a title that he never pursued or wanted in the first place.

I do agree I ve always thought that a perfect ending for Jon would be to take a keep and build his own family. The Dreadfort is available, so that would be perfect. Something where he is just a minor Lord, and where he spends his time with his family. That would be really perfect.

But since this story is suppose to have a bittersweet ending Jon can basically only go two ways. He might might die at end fighting against the White Walkers, perhaps that wouldn’t be so bad for Jon he will at least die as a hero. Or he is going to end up as the King of Westeros. He doesn’t want to be the King, and the realm will be destroyed. This position will only entail a lot of responsibility and misery with no rewards, and worst of all he would properly have to stay in the South, he has always been Northman.

It IS Mylod! Article’s been updated. Thanks Jenny!

That’s hilarious. What is the source of this photo?

I can’t see the handshake to save my life, so I appreciate the better eyeballs than mine!

The fifth photograph from the bottom clearly shows the handshake…it’s the one that has the big boom sound recording microphone on top?

No it’s not 6:0 He never mentioned Mel, dragons flying above Jon and Davos and all the other things. He knows few things but rest is made up fanfic.

Which makes no sense as House Tarly was one of the last ones to kneel before Robert. Why would they ally with Cersei? They’re Targ loyalists and once Dany will come.

Don’t think Jon will march army towards KL or Euron forces. He’s no fool. True enemy lies in the North and not with Cersei or Euron. Also his forces wouldn’t make that much of a difference.

Sorry, but Jon being almost whole season at Dragonstone is a bad idea. I expect him to be there for three episodes 3, 4, 5 and then leave. Means 1, 2, 6, 7 in the North and prepare. They have high stake scenes and Bran, Arya will be there most likely for some other things.

That looks like Mark Mylod to me as well (and now, it appear it’s been confirmed). It would fit with the working theory that he’s directing Episodes 3 and/or 4, since that seems to be the most likely timeframe for Jon’s arrival on Dragonstone.

If the spoilery continues there won´t be a need to watch the series 😉

Last season, they kind of foreshadowed what I anticipate the reaction of the Northern Lords are going to be when Lord Glover told Sansa that Robb was “taking up with a foreign whore”. Seeing that most of these people as well as their relatives fought the Targaryens in the Rebellion I’m not anticipating smooth sailing for King Jon if/when he mentions an alliance with Daenerys, someone they’re likely to see and describe the same way. Perhaps this is where Littlefinger worms his way into Sansa’s ear.

That being said, it is clear the Mormonts are supposed to have a special relationship with Jon and Dany in this story. And I expect that to continue.

Yes, maybe Dragonstone is not that small, but still I see 2 or 3 major problems, and I think that at least some of them will occure forcing Tyrion to go on a suicide mission to KL.

1) Food and forage. The showrunners can relolve it simply by making Dany to bring everything she needs, but they can go the opposite way either; 2) Allies. If Dany fails to join her allies, Cersei & Euron will be able to take out at least some of them (apparently this will happen to Ellaria and the Sand Snakes, but Ollena may end up arrested too).

3) The sailing channel of the Blackwater Bay is full of sunken ships, the showrunners even took effort to show us how shallow they lie (that was the scene where Mel sailed with Gendry by the Red Keep). And that factor alone could make Dragonstone of no use as a jumping ground (or whatever is the term): sunken ships can become a BIG OBSTACLE, though I never realized ho big until certain things happened in real life a few years ago.

So, from the military perspective Dragonstone is a bad jumping ground, but a good place for defense, if Dany (or rather Theon) find it undermanned and manage to take it by surprise. And Yara’s absence especially implies that this landing will be happening after the encounter with Euron in which she is going to be captured. As all this Dany’s landing on Dragonstone and Jon’s arrival will take around episode 4, that still leaves us Ep 3 for the battle with Euron and Cersei (imo, it will start on the coast at Dany’s initial landing spot, and then Euron will hit from the sea).

Now I’m watching all the Season 1 scenes between Jon/ Tyrion and Jon/ Jamie. For me spoilers do not hinder but enhance my GoT experience.

talvikorppi: Wait, what? I’ll never click to the toxic Daily Hail, the most righ-wing, fascist tabloid in the UK. Can you just give a summary of their story? Or maybe it’s just rehashed filming spoilers we’ve had from European sources anyway. Their hypocrisy knows no limits.

I am so sorry; the link took me straight to the pictures. I did not read the article that may have been linked to them.

George: The fifth photograph from the bottom clearly shows the handshake…it’s the one that has the big boom sound recording microphone on top?

Thanks George, I had commented before the rest of the photos were added! ☺

Also, thanks to those who are always on the ball with posting links to photos and news, it’s greatly appreciated by those of us that don’t have time or know where to look!

Regarding the three treasons the Undying told Dany about, I think both MMD and Jorah can be considered the first two. Keep in mind that not only did Jorah want his pardom, he was probably getting paid for it to. I say this because they both had tremendous impact on Dany.

MMD betrayal lead to the deaths of Dany’s husband and child. This in turn lead to MMD’s death.

Jorah’s betrayal was an devastating emotionally fo Dany. He washer first friend, her advisor, he constant companion and she feels the loss of him through ADWD. To the point that he plays a very prominent role in her Vision Quest at the end of ADWD. This betrayal in turn caused Jorah everything, he has been enslaved, mutated, beaten, you name it.

Point, those who betray Daenerys pay very high prices for their betrayals….

But Dailymail updated their article with new photos. In one of them Kit is inside the boat and in other one he has an arakh in his hand. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3867396/Bad-news-Cersei-Jon-Snow-Tyrion-Lannister-warm-greeting-Dothraki-land-Westeros-beach-shoot-Game-Thrones-seventh-final-series-Spain.html

talvikorppi: In the show Sansa and Tyrion even shared a joke about how they’re… well, jokes. The traitor’s daughter and the Imp. That bonding ended when the news of the Red Wedding came.

Tyrion watched her strip naked, groped her breast and showed his purple, bulbous head

he may have been gentler but as far as Sansa’s concerned he’s a Lannister, that’s why she doesn’t want him ever.

” Lovely thing about the watch, you discard your old family and get a whole new one.” Tyrion to Jon S1 E02. Foreshadowing for Jon….possibly Tyrion as well!

Agree and besides it’s been confirmed by this site that Dany goes to Dragon Pit in KL and Missandei, Davos and Brienne are there with her so it makes no sense for Jon to stay at Dragonstone without her. I don’t see Dany going to the North quite yet either, she probably intends to take the iron throne from Cersei so she can get everyone in Westeros ready for the fight against the WW, and I imagine wildfire would be useful against them. So either Jon lends Davos to Dany at their meeting and sends Brienne to her when he goes back to WF or sends them both to her later as their running out of time before the WW come and he needs her now.

Robert Baratheon shakes Robb hand in the first episode

Boudica: Dany isn’t queen of anything yet, Jon was proclaimed King before Dany showed up. The only people Jon is rebelling against at the moment is Cersei, and she doesn’t have a legitimate claim to the throne.

That sounds great! Do you know something we don´t? 😉

Here’s hoping that we won’t have wait very long for pics of Varys and Qyburn filming their big scene in which they duke it out like Gandalf and Saruman, bouncing off walls and using magic against each other. Or was that Yoda and Count Dooku?

Basically Jon will be at Winterfell or the North 1,2 and 6, 7 episodes. Rest at Dragonstone.

I read a theory based on leaks. There is supposed to be filming at Iceland ad someone mentioned that Kit will be there, if it stands of BtW=Beyond the Wall part of Westeros. Maybe they’re doing something with it. In the laks was some kind of mission to capture a wight. Sounds bs but who knows.

He lied when he said that to Sansa. He already told Cersei that the Boltons were traitors and Roose had married Sansa Stark to his son. That’s when Cersei told him to take Winterfell, and he asked her if she would appoint him Warden of the North. Here’s a link It starts at the 2:35 mark.

He then tells a Sansa word will spread that he’s declared for House Stark. But as Sansa wisely observes he’s “declared for other houses before.”

Littlefinger’s game is to tell each House what he wants them to hear, so they will do what he needs them to do. Sansa has no idea he was promised Winterfell by Cersei if he delivers Sansa. Cersei has no idea he orchestrated Sansa’s marriage to Ramsey Bolton. He needs Sansa to hang on to Winterfell, so he could very likely make up a plausible story to justify why he used Starks to kill Boltons, and impress Cersei with the importance of Sansa being at Winterfell. he’s good at that.

Soon his lies will catch up to him because as more & more people link back up they can compare notes. Tyrion & Varys know his game very well. Sansa knows what he’s up to as well. He wants the Iron Throne.

I think they’re Cersai’s little birds now…little vultures.

Every time he rejects or puts aside one title, he gets chosen for another one. He got passed over for ranger, only to be assigned to Commander Mormont instead. The two times he’s rejected Lord of Winterfell, he ended up becoming Lord Commander and KitN, respectively.

Ha..I was thinking this same thing.. and it’s always a WAY bigger elevation, right? Something that no one would expect, under the circumstances.

I’m well aware of what he said to Cersei. Cersei said she would make him warden if he brought her Sansa. He hasn’t done that, and everybody knows that Jon is now king and Sansa sits in Winterfell, and that the North and the Vale are allied. Cersei is now perfectly aware that he stabbed her in the back, and she sure as hell isn’t going to trust him again after that.

Yes, I think betrayal for love will be Daario: the guy did love her, and she simply threw him out like garbage. IMO, he won’t let her go unpunished and at least an assassination attempt should be expected from him.

Little wiener, flappy wiener. Love story of Dany and Jon. Even though Euron has a bigger cock, Jon is more attractive for women, because he is fast and very skilled with his sword, don’t forget his tongue from the cave. Fangirl.

They are filming at Iceland, I believe that is why the show has been delayed but I don’t think it’s just for beyond the wall but probably for the north as well because winter is here and it’s gonna be a lot heavier than last season that’s why they needed a later season in winter and a different location. WF doesn’t matter because that’s all in a studio.

Capturing a wight would be difficult, the only reason I could see Jon doing that is if the southern kingdoms don’t believe him but what is he gonna do travel around Westeros taking a captured wight to all the lords. I imagine Dany would believe them as she knows magic is real so perhaps she can convince them or perhaps seeing dragons will make people more likely to believe in other forms of magic.

Dark Lark: I was happy Sansa stood up for herself in the books and didn’t kneel. I liked the fact that Tyrion was embarrassed, as he well should have been. He deserved to be for going through with it. He’s a grown man who couldn’t stand up to Daddy until well after Daddy had already killed Robb and Cat and Tyrion had no where else to go and thought his life was over before Varys saved him.

On the show, Shae begged Tyrion to run away with her. He could have. He didn’t, he said, no, I’m a Lannister.

You’ve got some interesting points there…seeing Sansa’s failure to kneel as silent protest.

And yeah, I agree that Tyrion isn’t as innovative in his thinking as some people imagine. He’s happy to go along with things, even though they’re awful. And while he doesn’t fail to remind Dany of her mad father, he stood around while Joffrey and Cersai terrorized King’s Landing. Why not put swords in

But Dailymail updated their article with new photos. In one of them Kit is inside the boat and in other one he has an arakh in his hand.

The picture of Jon Snow in the boat reminded me a bit of him being rowed ashore at Hardhome in 508, which made me wish that Jon had taken Tormund south to Dragonstone with him. I would love to see Tormund interact with Team Daenerys! My only consolation is that perhaps he is back at Winterfell with Brienne?

The sailing channel of the Blackwater Bay is full of sunken ships, the showrunners even took effort to show us how shallow they lie (that was the scene where Mel sailed with Gendry by the Red Keep). And that factor alone could make Dragonstone of no use as a jumping ground (or whatever is the term): sunken ships can become a BIG OBSTACLE,

Blackwater bay has been cleared of those ships though since season 3, or at the very most it’s only upstream of KL that’s clogged with ships … Shots of the estuary in S3-6 show it to be few from debris.

I’m thinking specifically of the scene where Sansa is weeping at the sight of LF leaving on his ship whilst she’s condemned to marrying Tyrion, and also when Jaime returns with Myrcellas body in S6.

That said, I don’t believe Dany would mount an attack by sea on KL, Tyrion would counsel against this with his experience of wildfire and a crazy Queen. They won’t risk the population and might attempt a covert assault instead.

I agree with this.Tyrion is my second favorite character but I agree.I admire Sansa for not kneeling, everything else was taken away from her.Sort of like, if you want to kill me, kill me, only I will die standing up.She was brave.

I want to see Jon be brave in these scenes too. To not be cowed by the dragons or by Dany. To hopefully gain her support and if there’s more, I’m fine with that. I think it’s been leading up to this since the beginning. So to be here now is interesting, if not what I fully expect to see in the future books.

I do think Jon needs to be straight with Tyrion and with Dany. I’d like to see the man and not the boy.

Certainly hoping for Northern spoilers sometime soon! Bring it on. I’m ready and waiting.

..and she sure as hell isn’t going to trust him again after that.

Geralt of Rivia: Don’t think Jon will march army towards KL or Euron forces. He’s no fool. True enemy lies in the North and not with Cersei or Euron. Also his forces wouldn’t make that much of a difference.

No, I didn’t say that and I don’t think he will or should engage his northern men in southern battles. What I did say is that he personally IS (appears to be/should be) attempting to prepare The North for a defense against the NK by seeking more fighters and getting others to understand the dangers. At a time when The Wall is still standing it’s more important to try to unite the Seven Kingdoms against the threat than sit there and wait for it with ten or twenty thousand.

I was just brainstorming with the comments about him helping Daenerys first. I wasn’t meaning that he use his men but rather assist her on his own as a battle commander and trainer of sorts. She has an army of Unsullied and Dothraki that aren’t trained in fighting men in full plate armor or in the terrain they may find themselves or really in battle strategy itself. The majority of her fighters are Dothraki that typically just charge in with blades swinging.

Think of the predicament it may put them both in. Jon needs help against the NK. Daenerys may want to help but now that she’s in Westeros there will be warring going on with her own forces and against those that already allied with her. Jon could end up thinking the only chance the 7K has is if Daenerys wins ‘her’ war before the NK attacks.

lol I know that no one cares, probably, but has it been confirmed that Michiel Huisman won’t be back for Season 7?

Tbh I don’t think the show is going along with those three betrayals, it’s never been mentioned in the show just like the mummer’s dragon. I imagine Dany is in Essos longer in the books so there is a lot more time for people to betray her like Darrio, her husband Hidzar, the mummer’s dragon etc the show has bypassed a lot of things and I think this is one of them.

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