This is a (long) rebuttal to KatiiCullen94's argument, the pamagat of which is in is article's title. (Though you've probably all seen that sa pamamagitan ng now.) I haven't included her points in this, so it will be necessary to read her artikulo first.
1. The majority of people in this world cannot relate to Bella. Tell me, how many people can go to a new school and automatically be the prettiest and most popular girl there? How many girls can say that they have FIVE males lusting after them?
Bella does care for people other than herself - her boyfriend. That's it. She was perfectly happy to hurt her father on several occasions in order to be with her boyfriend - and if you value your boyfriend over your own parents, then there is something seriously wrong with you. She also treats her mga kaibigan like crap, and still expects them to be loyal to her. Even if it was possible to relate to Bella, it would not be a good thing if a person actually did in real life. It's not a very good thing if a person:
a) treats her mga kaibigan badly when they have done nothing to her, and they still try to remain loyal to her.
b) constantly needs a man in her life to rescue her from the situations she gets herself into.
c) is willing to hurt her father's feelings to be with her boyfriend.
d) puts her life (and the lives of others) at risk in order to hear her boyfriend's voice in her head.
There are many madami reasons, but I don't want to spend too long on one point.
2. Yes, Twilight is indeed madami original than some other vampire stories. I can't deny that. However, originality is a blade that can cut both ways. (As any blade can...I don't know...) Honestly - Bampira that sparkle? It's original, but it's taken the one flaw a real vampire possesses and made it into a "non-flaw"; thus, Meyer can retain perfect characters for her books. Perfect characters are not good. Have you ever heard the saying "Perfection...is apt to be dull"?
3. sa pamamagitan ng the way, Twilight is also in a narration format. Every fictional novel in the world is in narration format. Please get your terminology right. Twilight is in first person narration (AKA point of view) while Harry Potter is written in third person narration/POV. You should specify which form of narration you are referring to, otherwise you'll confuse a lot of people.
You cannot understand the thoughts and feelings of all characters when Pagsulat in first person POV, because 1st person only follows one person's thoughts and feelings - the narrator. Bella is the narrator of the Twilight books (I generally don't classify Midnight Sun as one of the books, because a) it's not published or even complete and b) it is pretty much one of the former books with a new name and different POV - it only tells us what we already know), and thus we only have access to her thoughts and feelings. In Harry Potter, third person POV is used. This makes the Harry Potter books deeper, because while most of the thoughts and feelings we see are Harry's, we can also see the feelings of others through his eyes. This maintains an unbiased tone - unlike Twilight, as I will explain later.
While both 1st person POV and 3rd person POV each have their benefits, Twilight's use of 1st person means that the series is extremely biased. Jacob is presented as a jerk in Eclipse because the books are in Bella's POV, and we don't see him in any other way. Likewise, Edward is presented as a god-like figure: again, because the books are in Bella's POV and she is a biased narrator.
4. The fact that Twilight doesn't kill the main characters is one of the reasons why it is such a boring read. It is extremely predictable - every book in the series serves up a happily ever after to Bella on a platter. Breaking Dawn is most suggestive of this - had Meyer actually included the fight that every single reader had anticipated excitedly, and then killed at least one significant character on the Cullens' side (such as Jacob, one of the Cullens or one of the other Quileutes), many people would have been happier with the book. Killing off characters when a war scene is written makes a book much madami interesting and realistic. During the Battle of Hogwarts, the fact that many people died reinforces just how realistic the sequence is. (Go watch a movie with at least one major battle sequence, such as Lord of the Rings, and then tell me that it's better for nobody to die during a war.)
I also find it extremely sad that you were once a HP tagahanga and then converted. What devil possessed you to force you into making such a terrible decision?
5. While there is indeed a friendship present between Bella and Alice, it is sadly underdeveloped. If Meyer had developed this enough to make it into a sub-plot (for Eclipse, probably), the books would have been a madami interesting read. Unfortunately, such a subplot doesn't exist, and we are instead left with rants about how hot Edward is and Bella's constant whining.
As for Bella and Jacob's "friendship", it is one-sided. To Bella, Jacob is merely a boy for her to play with while she gets over Edward. She leads Jacob on, then finds herself in a little bit of trouble when she realises that Jacob has fallen in pag-ibig with her (what did she expect?) and she solves this sa pamamagitan ng breaking his heart.
6. Good villains? I laughed for about ten minutos straight at this. James is not a good villain. He was introduced in the last 1/8th of the book. He is not scary - if James was real, I would probably only have to blow on his face to make him run away like the wuss he is. James inspired fear in eight people - Voldemort inspired fear in the hearts of thousands, if not millions.
Victoria's eyes are piercing red, and she is pure evil? What exactly is your point here? Try pagbaba Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire - I think you'll find that Voldemort has piercing red eyes, and is pure evil.
P.S. Oh yes, I am absolutely TERRIFED of Victoria's army. An army of newborn Bampira which are completely and utterly incapable of any kind of combat.
7. If each character of Twilight has one beautiful quality, each Potter character probably has about three. Rosalie was a good character - you are absolutely right about her feelings. Her backstory was quite good (apart from, you know, the Great Depression "not existing" for her because her father is a banker. Check XDRoseLuvsHP’s artikulo “Response to ‘Analysis of the Opposite!’” for further detail). However, due to Meyer’s use of first person narration, Rosalie is hated sa pamamagitan ng fans that are taking Bella’s side and calling Rosalie a stuck-up asong babae – because they only have one side of the story.
However, please do give me a listahan of Bella’s “beautiful qualities”. Seriously – Bella has no beautiful qualities. She’s a beautiful person, but how does this count as a quality? It’s what’s on the inside that counts, not the outside. (Bella could learn A LOT from that sentence.) While you’re making a listahan of Bella’s beautiful qualities, do likewise for Edward. He is abusive, a pedophile and also a stalker. He also appreciates Bella for nothing but her smell – again, Edward could learn from liking a person’s inner qualities instead of their outer ones.
8. Why are you bringing the movie cast into this argument? The cast has nothing to do with why Twilight is better than Harry Potter. (Excuse me, I need to go wash my mouth and fingers for saying such a thing.) Still, I will need to bring the cast into this again to rebut this point. The cast of Harry Potter is far madami talented than the Twilight cast. Daniel, Rupert and Emma are capable of pulling madami than one facial expression while pagganap – which Kristen and Robert don’t seem to have mastered. (Can I just add that Robert’s considerable pagganap skills are evident in the Goblet of apoy movie? Not so in Twilight.) And sa pamamagitan ng the way, Kristen Stewart has been seen smoking marihuwana in public – I don’t think this is the mark of a good role model. She also treats her fans like crap.
9. Again, I laughed for a good fifteen minutos at this point. All of the tanong in Twilight have been answered – we know why Edward couldn’t read Bella’s mind, as we see her retract her shield into herself so that Edward can read her mind. Not that there were that many things to pagtatalo in Twilight in the first place – probably the only important tanong was “Edward or Jacob?” This only serves to point out exactly how anti-feminist Twilight is – why is there no option for fans that want Bella to become an independent woman that doesn’t need a man in her life at all?
In Harry Potter, on the other hand, there are tanong upon tanong that fans were able to ask themselves. “Is Harry a Horcrux?” “Is Dumbledore really dead?” “Whose side is Snape on?” These are tanong stemming from Deathly Hallows alone. Even the epilogue leaves many tanong walang sagot – “Who did Neville and Luna marry?” (We only found this out in one of Rowling’s interviews.) “What happened to the rest of the DA?” “How have the Weasleys coped since the death of Fred?” “What the hell is a Hufflepuff?” (Just kidding…;D)
10. There have actually been several vampire/human pag-ibig stories before Twilight - Stephenie Meyer's concept isn't entirely new. The Vampire Diaries series (by L.J.Smith) was first published in 1991, while the Sookie Stackhouse books were first published in 2001. Vampire/human pag-ibig stories aside, we see millions of “forbidden love” stories. Romeo and Juliet is the classic example – and yes, Meyer sinabi that she based her books (I think it was New Moon) off this Shakespearean story. However, she then had the nerve to say that New Moon was of an equal level to – even better than – Romeo and Juliet. Also – Shakespeare didn’t have to rape a thesaurus to make his works seem intelligent.
sa pamamagitan ng the way, inter-species pag-ibig stories are not something completely new and different. The story (well, sub-plot) of Arwen and Aragorn came around in the 1940s-1950s – the story of Edward and Bella came about in 2005.
I hope this was a sufficient response for you – I would post madami reasons for HP’s superiority to Twilight, but I don’t want to go off track. Maybe another time.
And I know I used parentheses - brackets - a lot up there, but I've just eaten 100 grams of tsokolate and I'm feeling rather hyper. Plus I sidetrack a lot when I talk, so you could say that my typing reflects my talking in that respect.
1. The majority of people in this world cannot relate to Bella. Tell me, how many people can go to a new school and automatically be the prettiest and most popular girl there? How many girls can say that they have FIVE males lusting after them?
Bella does care for people other than herself - her boyfriend. That's it. She was perfectly happy to hurt her father on several occasions in order to be with her boyfriend - and if you value your boyfriend over your own parents, then there is something seriously wrong with you. She also treats her mga kaibigan like crap, and still expects them to be loyal to her. Even if it was possible to relate to Bella, it would not be a good thing if a person actually did in real life. It's not a very good thing if a person:
a) treats her mga kaibigan badly when they have done nothing to her, and they still try to remain loyal to her.
b) constantly needs a man in her life to rescue her from the situations she gets herself into.
c) is willing to hurt her father's feelings to be with her boyfriend.
d) puts her life (and the lives of others) at risk in order to hear her boyfriend's voice in her head.
There are many madami reasons, but I don't want to spend too long on one point.
2. Yes, Twilight is indeed madami original than some other vampire stories. I can't deny that. However, originality is a blade that can cut both ways. (As any blade can...I don't know...) Honestly - Bampira that sparkle? It's original, but it's taken the one flaw a real vampire possesses and made it into a "non-flaw"; thus, Meyer can retain perfect characters for her books. Perfect characters are not good. Have you ever heard the saying "Perfection...is apt to be dull"?
3. sa pamamagitan ng the way, Twilight is also in a narration format. Every fictional novel in the world is in narration format. Please get your terminology right. Twilight is in first person narration (AKA point of view) while Harry Potter is written in third person narration/POV. You should specify which form of narration you are referring to, otherwise you'll confuse a lot of people.
You cannot understand the thoughts and feelings of all characters when Pagsulat in first person POV, because 1st person only follows one person's thoughts and feelings - the narrator. Bella is the narrator of the Twilight books (I generally don't classify Midnight Sun as one of the books, because a) it's not published or even complete and b) it is pretty much one of the former books with a new name and different POV - it only tells us what we already know), and thus we only have access to her thoughts and feelings. In Harry Potter, third person POV is used. This makes the Harry Potter books deeper, because while most of the thoughts and feelings we see are Harry's, we can also see the feelings of others through his eyes. This maintains an unbiased tone - unlike Twilight, as I will explain later.
While both 1st person POV and 3rd person POV each have their benefits, Twilight's use of 1st person means that the series is extremely biased. Jacob is presented as a jerk in Eclipse because the books are in Bella's POV, and we don't see him in any other way. Likewise, Edward is presented as a god-like figure: again, because the books are in Bella's POV and she is a biased narrator.
4. The fact that Twilight doesn't kill the main characters is one of the reasons why it is such a boring read. It is extremely predictable - every book in the series serves up a happily ever after to Bella on a platter. Breaking Dawn is most suggestive of this - had Meyer actually included the fight that every single reader had anticipated excitedly, and then killed at least one significant character on the Cullens' side (such as Jacob, one of the Cullens or one of the other Quileutes), many people would have been happier with the book. Killing off characters when a war scene is written makes a book much madami interesting and realistic. During the Battle of Hogwarts, the fact that many people died reinforces just how realistic the sequence is. (Go watch a movie with at least one major battle sequence, such as Lord of the Rings, and then tell me that it's better for nobody to die during a war.)
I also find it extremely sad that you were once a HP tagahanga and then converted. What devil possessed you to force you into making such a terrible decision?
5. While there is indeed a friendship present between Bella and Alice, it is sadly underdeveloped. If Meyer had developed this enough to make it into a sub-plot (for Eclipse, probably), the books would have been a madami interesting read. Unfortunately, such a subplot doesn't exist, and we are instead left with rants about how hot Edward is and Bella's constant whining.
As for Bella and Jacob's "friendship", it is one-sided. To Bella, Jacob is merely a boy for her to play with while she gets over Edward. She leads Jacob on, then finds herself in a little bit of trouble when she realises that Jacob has fallen in pag-ibig with her (what did she expect?) and she solves this sa pamamagitan ng breaking his heart.
6. Good villains? I laughed for about ten minutos straight at this. James is not a good villain. He was introduced in the last 1/8th of the book. He is not scary - if James was real, I would probably only have to blow on his face to make him run away like the wuss he is. James inspired fear in eight people - Voldemort inspired fear in the hearts of thousands, if not millions.
Victoria's eyes are piercing red, and she is pure evil? What exactly is your point here? Try pagbaba Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire - I think you'll find that Voldemort has piercing red eyes, and is pure evil.
P.S. Oh yes, I am absolutely TERRIFED of Victoria's army. An army of newborn Bampira which are completely and utterly incapable of any kind of combat.
7. If each character of Twilight has one beautiful quality, each Potter character probably has about three. Rosalie was a good character - you are absolutely right about her feelings. Her backstory was quite good (apart from, you know, the Great Depression "not existing" for her because her father is a banker. Check XDRoseLuvsHP’s artikulo “Response to ‘Analysis of the Opposite!’” for further detail). However, due to Meyer’s use of first person narration, Rosalie is hated sa pamamagitan ng fans that are taking Bella’s side and calling Rosalie a stuck-up asong babae – because they only have one side of the story.
However, please do give me a listahan of Bella’s “beautiful qualities”. Seriously – Bella has no beautiful qualities. She’s a beautiful person, but how does this count as a quality? It’s what’s on the inside that counts, not the outside. (Bella could learn A LOT from that sentence.) While you’re making a listahan of Bella’s beautiful qualities, do likewise for Edward. He is abusive, a pedophile and also a stalker. He also appreciates Bella for nothing but her smell – again, Edward could learn from liking a person’s inner qualities instead of their outer ones.
8. Why are you bringing the movie cast into this argument? The cast has nothing to do with why Twilight is better than Harry Potter. (Excuse me, I need to go wash my mouth and fingers for saying such a thing.) Still, I will need to bring the cast into this again to rebut this point. The cast of Harry Potter is far madami talented than the Twilight cast. Daniel, Rupert and Emma are capable of pulling madami than one facial expression while pagganap – which Kristen and Robert don’t seem to have mastered. (Can I just add that Robert’s considerable pagganap skills are evident in the Goblet of apoy movie? Not so in Twilight.) And sa pamamagitan ng the way, Kristen Stewart has been seen smoking marihuwana in public – I don’t think this is the mark of a good role model. She also treats her fans like crap.
9. Again, I laughed for a good fifteen minutos at this point. All of the tanong in Twilight have been answered – we know why Edward couldn’t read Bella’s mind, as we see her retract her shield into herself so that Edward can read her mind. Not that there were that many things to pagtatalo in Twilight in the first place – probably the only important tanong was “Edward or Jacob?” This only serves to point out exactly how anti-feminist Twilight is – why is there no option for fans that want Bella to become an independent woman that doesn’t need a man in her life at all?
In Harry Potter, on the other hand, there are tanong upon tanong that fans were able to ask themselves. “Is Harry a Horcrux?” “Is Dumbledore really dead?” “Whose side is Snape on?” These are tanong stemming from Deathly Hallows alone. Even the epilogue leaves many tanong walang sagot – “Who did Neville and Luna marry?” (We only found this out in one of Rowling’s interviews.) “What happened to the rest of the DA?” “How have the Weasleys coped since the death of Fred?” “What the hell is a Hufflepuff?” (Just kidding…;D)
10. There have actually been several vampire/human pag-ibig stories before Twilight - Stephenie Meyer's concept isn't entirely new. The Vampire Diaries series (by L.J.Smith) was first published in 1991, while the Sookie Stackhouse books were first published in 2001. Vampire/human pag-ibig stories aside, we see millions of “forbidden love” stories. Romeo and Juliet is the classic example – and yes, Meyer sinabi that she based her books (I think it was New Moon) off this Shakespearean story. However, she then had the nerve to say that New Moon was of an equal level to – even better than – Romeo and Juliet. Also – Shakespeare didn’t have to rape a thesaurus to make his works seem intelligent.
sa pamamagitan ng the way, inter-species pag-ibig stories are not something completely new and different. The story (well, sub-plot) of Arwen and Aragorn came around in the 1940s-1950s – the story of Edward and Bella came about in 2005.
I hope this was a sufficient response for you – I would post madami reasons for HP’s superiority to Twilight, but I don’t want to go off track. Maybe another time.
And I know I used parentheses - brackets - a lot up there, but I've just eaten 100 grams of tsokolate and I'm feeling rather hyper. Plus I sidetrack a lot when I talk, so you could say that my typing reflects my talking in that respect.