Yeah here’s another one of those articles. So before I start this, I wanted to say that I’m sorry to CyberEchidna for upsetting him with the “Accidental halik rp Problem”. It was not my intention to upset him. However I still stand sa pamamagitan ng what I sinabi in the article, and if you cannot accept that I’m sorry. I’m saying this here, mainly because I wanted to resolve that, but also because this artikulo may name/reference some people in the past that I have had issues with when doing cross-overs, and otherwise.
So before this gets started, to anyone I reference, I’m sorry if this offends you, and I don’t mean to make you feel bad, but these are problems I’d like to have fixed. It is not in any way me trying to reflect badly on you.
Anyway…
So I’ve done at least… TEN different cross-overs in one fan-fic or another, and sadly it hasn’t been a very good track-record so far. Usually what happens is that me or someone else will suggest a cross-over, we’ll agree, then the person will write the article, or I will.
Here’s a listahan of the problems that happen during this.
WHEN THEY WRITE IT
1. Usually when I have a character in a fan-fiction, they ask for some personality, and such, but mostly just the name and pic. From there they will just write what they want/or THINK my characters are like, then post it and tell me when it’s finished.
Problem: Just about every time I’ve seen this happen it ends up with them not using my characters in the right way at all. There have been times when Rin, who is extremely chipper and random, acts hot-headed and oblivious, and has sinabi things like “Dear” or referencing people sa pamamagitan ng their last name. And that’s just a nit-pick. The worse thing is that they’ll be DOING things that defy their character. Such as Rynk randomly flying away on a magic carpet (or something along those lines). Let me tell ya now, Rynk might be Persian, but she doesn’t fly off on walang tiyak na layunin magic carpets. Another example was when Rin was asked a tanong of where a certain medicine might be found, and denying someone the information. I did not have imput in that decision.
2. This does not happen anymore (and I am so thankful for that), but there was a time when I was not even asked if I wanted my characters in the cross-over. I would find out maybe even weeks after the artikulo was posted, and in short it was not very true to the character.
Problem: Let me answer this with an example, (and once again I am not trying to pick on the person who did this, but I am sorry that you might see this and be offended.) Once I sent a walang tiyak na layunin E-mail to a friend asking “Hey what are you planning to happen in your susunod fan-fiction?”, and he answered with that he was planning to have my character be tricked into thinking that he had to kill my friend’s character after just meeting the people who “tricked” him. I ended up having to take quite a while to convince my friend NOT to do that, or do something related, and in the end completely I ended up Pagsulat the fan-fic cross-over myself, which to tell the truth I enjoyed, and got no complains about, but if I had not asked about it then, a cross-over where my character gets tricked into doing something bad would be online, and people would see it.
Now I’d like to point out once again that this problem does not happen with this person anymore, and we’ve been past this type of issue for a long time now. The point though is that this not happen with other people in the future.
WHEN I WRITE IT
1. Not enough info. When I write a cross-over personally (and I can only recall three off the tuktok of my head that I’ve actually done successfully, including the one stated in the nakaraan paragraph), the person I’m trying to get the information from is usually going “You can do whatever with it”, so that’s what I do. And well it doesn’t go well. NOW, there HAVE been times where I’ve been ibingiay the info and utterly destroyed the Fan-fic (*coughConflictsArcanecough*) terribly, so I’m not saying I’ve been that great at it myself, but it makes it really hard for me to make characters act like they normally would accurately without information.
CO-OP-WRITING
1. HARD. Literally the only bad thing about co-op-writing. When I try to do a co-op it almost always ends badly, with the thing not even getting written. (And I wish I was lying, but it really isn’t because I’M not trying. I know that that sounds prideful, but I seriously can’t remember the last time I didn’t do my part.) Whether it be because of being offline for too long, forgetting to check messages, lack of interest, lack of information to give, lack of ideas (good or bad) to use, etc. almost every time it does get written.
So how can this be fixed?
Well MY suggestions… (and note these are just MINE. Others may have better ideas. I don’t know.)
1. GET LOTS OF INFO. Doesn’t matter how much it is, or how long it’ll take, you want to make a cross-over the point is making it a GOOD one. Have the people fill out the following form.
Name:
Age:
Appearance (AND image):
Location:
Other Location Information:
Allies:
Close Friends:
Enemies:
Abilities:
Skills (do not confuse with abilities):
Interests/Hobbies:
Likes/Dislikes:
Lines the character would say (if any):
Accent:
Nationality:
Personality:
And probably madami after that. THEN if you want madami detail, then once you come to a part you aren’t sure how they’d react to, send them a message asking how they would want their character to act.
2. Roleplay write. This is basically where you make the plot out of a roleplay you do. You start off with the main introduction, then introduce the characters, then roleplay a while, go to the susunod scene, pagtatalo on what to edit and what to keep, then turn it into an article. You can do this sa pamamagitan ng doing the normal roleplay format…
A: I like Dancing *hit sa pamamagitan ng train*
B: *stops Train* Doctor Octoganopus! BLAA! *shoots train*
OR the writer’s style roleplay…
“I like Dancing” A sinabi before struck sa pamamagitan ng a train.
B stopped the train sa pamamagitan ng yelling “Doctor Octoganopus! BLAA!” and blasting it with a laser from his mouth.
Personally I find the Writer’s Style roleplay to be a better choice as it helps you make the little hints like “Little did he know” that you’d not be able to in a normal roleplay (Mangre, you are missed.). Also I personally find it to be madami fun, and quicker, as you don’t have to change the story from roleplay to artikulo (and on that note, to those who use the roleplay format to make articles, I have to say I REALLY don’t like that format. Not that I’m calling you bad writers because of it, but it’s much harder to read for me at least.).
3. Base it on a roleplay you already did. Take a roleplay you had with some person, and write the artikulo based on that, with whatever tweaks you’d have made here and there. And of course GET PERMISSION. This is the easiest approach, as you neither have to go back and forth with the person, or ask them for various info (for the most part at least), with the only downside being turning the roleplay into an article. But even then that CAN help with the “Little did he know” effect.
4. And as always, when you’ve finished the article, check with the person to see if it’s okay with them. My suggestion would be to do this after each chapter is finished for short stories, and each scene for long stories. That way if they want something changed near the beginning you do not have to change the whole plot because of it (or at least the Pagsulat part).
An example I’ll listahan is what I’d consider the best cross-over series I’ve ever been a part of so far, and it is of course MOBIUS ACADEMY.
The method used in this series involves me and Gracethefox typing up the story’s plot-summary, then (usually) me Pagsulat it, and sending it to her for approval, before posting it. Now lately however we have been doing it so Grace does the Pagsulat too (which she’s great at if I might add). And when he run into scenes where the paths of Pagsulat intertwine, we take the roleplay approach, and write in Writer’s Style roleplaying. We mark the scenes we’ll be using, and mark the parts where they are in the story, then put them together, check it, and finally post it. Thankfully we have not had to make edits to the story because of oversights yet, and I doubt we will with how well it is going. If you plan on making a cross-over series I suggest this approach. It has yet to fail me or Grace (or as far as I know).
Now there is one exception in a way to this, which is of course the “In Another World” series. Why? The IAW is based on three things that change all character’s personalities and lifestyles
1. They’re humans in this, and therefore do not have certain attributes like large ears or tails that can affect their personality.
2. They do not have powers, which can affect their personality.
3. They do not live the same way, or even with the same people with some.
The point of IAW is to make scenarios completely chalk-full of WHAT-IF’s, so it cancels out and/or changes…
Accent:
Nationality:
Name:
Age:
Appearance (AND image):
Location:
Other Location Information:
Allies:
Close Friends:
Enemies:
Abilities:
And maybe some other attributes. If you are planning to do a cross-over series like this, then most of these will not affect you (MOST, not all). That does not mean you don’t ask for permission. And if you do try this type, you should probably add stuff to the bista sa tagiliran chart like
What would you like them to act like?
How old?
What skills?
What nationality?
What friends?
Etc.
I guess this is madami of a suggestion artikulo than a standards-article, but I do mean “standards” when it’s in the title. If anyone wants to write a story that has my characters I want to be told WHAT they will be doing, HOW they will be acting, WHEN they will appear, and be sent magpabago on it to make sure it’s okay.
So in the end of this, really quick, while you should want it done right, don’t try to push it too far. The people that make the artikulo DO try, and I doubt they’re trying to upset you. This doesn’t mean you should shrug off any mess-ups, but try to be nice about it, and if/when you have to make fixes, ask to do it yourself so they don’t have to do madami work for you.
Thank you for your time
EAT PIE AND PROSPER
So before this gets started, to anyone I reference, I’m sorry if this offends you, and I don’t mean to make you feel bad, but these are problems I’d like to have fixed. It is not in any way me trying to reflect badly on you.
Anyway…
So I’ve done at least… TEN different cross-overs in one fan-fic or another, and sadly it hasn’t been a very good track-record so far. Usually what happens is that me or someone else will suggest a cross-over, we’ll agree, then the person will write the article, or I will.
Here’s a listahan of the problems that happen during this.
WHEN THEY WRITE IT
1. Usually when I have a character in a fan-fiction, they ask for some personality, and such, but mostly just the name and pic. From there they will just write what they want/or THINK my characters are like, then post it and tell me when it’s finished.
Problem: Just about every time I’ve seen this happen it ends up with them not using my characters in the right way at all. There have been times when Rin, who is extremely chipper and random, acts hot-headed and oblivious, and has sinabi things like “Dear” or referencing people sa pamamagitan ng their last name. And that’s just a nit-pick. The worse thing is that they’ll be DOING things that defy their character. Such as Rynk randomly flying away on a magic carpet (or something along those lines). Let me tell ya now, Rynk might be Persian, but she doesn’t fly off on walang tiyak na layunin magic carpets. Another example was when Rin was asked a tanong of where a certain medicine might be found, and denying someone the information. I did not have imput in that decision.
2. This does not happen anymore (and I am so thankful for that), but there was a time when I was not even asked if I wanted my characters in the cross-over. I would find out maybe even weeks after the artikulo was posted, and in short it was not very true to the character.
Problem: Let me answer this with an example, (and once again I am not trying to pick on the person who did this, but I am sorry that you might see this and be offended.) Once I sent a walang tiyak na layunin E-mail to a friend asking “Hey what are you planning to happen in your susunod fan-fiction?”, and he answered with that he was planning to have my character be tricked into thinking that he had to kill my friend’s character after just meeting the people who “tricked” him. I ended up having to take quite a while to convince my friend NOT to do that, or do something related, and in the end completely I ended up Pagsulat the fan-fic cross-over myself, which to tell the truth I enjoyed, and got no complains about, but if I had not asked about it then, a cross-over where my character gets tricked into doing something bad would be online, and people would see it.
Now I’d like to point out once again that this problem does not happen with this person anymore, and we’ve been past this type of issue for a long time now. The point though is that this not happen with other people in the future.
WHEN I WRITE IT
1. Not enough info. When I write a cross-over personally (and I can only recall three off the tuktok of my head that I’ve actually done successfully, including the one stated in the nakaraan paragraph), the person I’m trying to get the information from is usually going “You can do whatever with it”, so that’s what I do. And well it doesn’t go well. NOW, there HAVE been times where I’ve been ibingiay the info and utterly destroyed the Fan-fic (*coughConflictsArcanecough*) terribly, so I’m not saying I’ve been that great at it myself, but it makes it really hard for me to make characters act like they normally would accurately without information.
CO-OP-WRITING
1. HARD. Literally the only bad thing about co-op-writing. When I try to do a co-op it almost always ends badly, with the thing not even getting written. (And I wish I was lying, but it really isn’t because I’M not trying. I know that that sounds prideful, but I seriously can’t remember the last time I didn’t do my part.) Whether it be because of being offline for too long, forgetting to check messages, lack of interest, lack of information to give, lack of ideas (good or bad) to use, etc. almost every time it does get written.
So how can this be fixed?
Well MY suggestions… (and note these are just MINE. Others may have better ideas. I don’t know.)
1. GET LOTS OF INFO. Doesn’t matter how much it is, or how long it’ll take, you want to make a cross-over the point is making it a GOOD one. Have the people fill out the following form.
Name:
Age:
Appearance (AND image):
Location:
Other Location Information:
Allies:
Close Friends:
Enemies:
Abilities:
Skills (do not confuse with abilities):
Interests/Hobbies:
Likes/Dislikes:
Lines the character would say (if any):
Accent:
Nationality:
Personality:
And probably madami after that. THEN if you want madami detail, then once you come to a part you aren’t sure how they’d react to, send them a message asking how they would want their character to act.
2. Roleplay write. This is basically where you make the plot out of a roleplay you do. You start off with the main introduction, then introduce the characters, then roleplay a while, go to the susunod scene, pagtatalo on what to edit and what to keep, then turn it into an article. You can do this sa pamamagitan ng doing the normal roleplay format…
A: I like Dancing *hit sa pamamagitan ng train*
B: *stops Train* Doctor Octoganopus! BLAA! *shoots train*
OR the writer’s style roleplay…
“I like Dancing” A sinabi before struck sa pamamagitan ng a train.
B stopped the train sa pamamagitan ng yelling “Doctor Octoganopus! BLAA!” and blasting it with a laser from his mouth.
Personally I find the Writer’s Style roleplay to be a better choice as it helps you make the little hints like “Little did he know” that you’d not be able to in a normal roleplay (Mangre, you are missed.). Also I personally find it to be madami fun, and quicker, as you don’t have to change the story from roleplay to artikulo (and on that note, to those who use the roleplay format to make articles, I have to say I REALLY don’t like that format. Not that I’m calling you bad writers because of it, but it’s much harder to read for me at least.).
3. Base it on a roleplay you already did. Take a roleplay you had with some person, and write the artikulo based on that, with whatever tweaks you’d have made here and there. And of course GET PERMISSION. This is the easiest approach, as you neither have to go back and forth with the person, or ask them for various info (for the most part at least), with the only downside being turning the roleplay into an article. But even then that CAN help with the “Little did he know” effect.
4. And as always, when you’ve finished the article, check with the person to see if it’s okay with them. My suggestion would be to do this after each chapter is finished for short stories, and each scene for long stories. That way if they want something changed near the beginning you do not have to change the whole plot because of it (or at least the Pagsulat part).
An example I’ll listahan is what I’d consider the best cross-over series I’ve ever been a part of so far, and it is of course MOBIUS ACADEMY.
The method used in this series involves me and Gracethefox typing up the story’s plot-summary, then (usually) me Pagsulat it, and sending it to her for approval, before posting it. Now lately however we have been doing it so Grace does the Pagsulat too (which she’s great at if I might add). And when he run into scenes where the paths of Pagsulat intertwine, we take the roleplay approach, and write in Writer’s Style roleplaying. We mark the scenes we’ll be using, and mark the parts where they are in the story, then put them together, check it, and finally post it. Thankfully we have not had to make edits to the story because of oversights yet, and I doubt we will with how well it is going. If you plan on making a cross-over series I suggest this approach. It has yet to fail me or Grace (or as far as I know).
Now there is one exception in a way to this, which is of course the “In Another World” series. Why? The IAW is based on three things that change all character’s personalities and lifestyles
1. They’re humans in this, and therefore do not have certain attributes like large ears or tails that can affect their personality.
2. They do not have powers, which can affect their personality.
3. They do not live the same way, or even with the same people with some.
The point of IAW is to make scenarios completely chalk-full of WHAT-IF’s, so it cancels out and/or changes…
Accent:
Nationality:
Name:
Age:
Appearance (AND image):
Location:
Other Location Information:
Allies:
Close Friends:
Enemies:
Abilities:
And maybe some other attributes. If you are planning to do a cross-over series like this, then most of these will not affect you (MOST, not all). That does not mean you don’t ask for permission. And if you do try this type, you should probably add stuff to the bista sa tagiliran chart like
What would you like them to act like?
How old?
What skills?
What nationality?
What friends?
Etc.
I guess this is madami of a suggestion artikulo than a standards-article, but I do mean “standards” when it’s in the title. If anyone wants to write a story that has my characters I want to be told WHAT they will be doing, HOW they will be acting, WHEN they will appear, and be sent magpabago on it to make sure it’s okay.
So in the end of this, really quick, while you should want it done right, don’t try to push it too far. The people that make the artikulo DO try, and I doubt they’re trying to upset you. This doesn’t mean you should shrug off any mess-ups, but try to be nice about it, and if/when you have to make fixes, ask to do it yourself so they don’t have to do madami work for you.
Thank you for your time
EAT PIE AND PROSPER
NAME: kahel the Hedgehog
GENDER: Male
POWERS: He can control fire, he can control ice, he can control electricity, he can control earth, he has super-speed, he can fly, he is super-strong and he is invincible
GIRLFRIENDS: Every girl in the series
LOOKS: An kahel hedgehog with black eyes
BACKSTORY: His hometown was destroyed sa pamamagitan ng Eggman so now he wants revenge on him
SUPER FORM: His super form is darker kahel and he still has black eyes and ALL THE POWERS IN THE WORLD!!!OMG!!
HYPER FORM: His hyper form is exactly like his Super Form except he is neon orange
DARKSPINE FORM: His super form with white stripes and no pupils
DARK FORM: The same as his Darkspine form
WEREHOG FORM: He is exactly like Sonics’ except orange
GENDER: Male
POWERS: He can control fire, he can control ice, he can control electricity, he can control earth, he has super-speed, he can fly, he is super-strong and he is invincible
GIRLFRIENDS: Every girl in the series
LOOKS: An kahel hedgehog with black eyes
BACKSTORY: His hometown was destroyed sa pamamagitan ng Eggman so now he wants revenge on him
SUPER FORM: His super form is darker kahel and he still has black eyes and ALL THE POWERS IN THE WORLD!!!OMG!!
HYPER FORM: His hyper form is exactly like his Super Form except he is neon orange
DARKSPINE FORM: His super form with white stripes and no pupils
DARK FORM: The same as his Darkspine form
WEREHOG FORM: He is exactly like Sonics’ except orange