This movie is SO boring imo. The music is good and the animation is pretty good, but other than that there's nothing that I really love about the movie

Like I said before. Mainly because it's really clichéd. Not because it's boring or not my type of movie.

A very overdone and bland storyline...

This movie is sooooo boring, the whole movie has a dark,cold mood what I never liked.

While I don't like Pocahontas much I just have more issues with this one, Like the character Ariel.

I love the songs but the movie is boring.

I completely agree with dimitri_is_hot.

Didn't we do this before?

This movie is extremely boring, underdeveloped, and unbalanced. The animation and songs at good, but practically everything else (including plot and character development) falls flat. This move can't compare to the others

Why are people saying Pocahontas she is amazing it was my favorite as a kid it's not boring people!

@JAyden-G Character Development is not exactly the point of the classic DP Movies. They are fairy tales, in every sense of the word, character development is not what they go for.
Plus: The renaissance movies are not exactly showing development in the protagonists either. Ariel from the beginning of the movie is exactly the same character at the end, it's Triton and Sebastian who change. Belle doesn't change either, the Beast does. Aladdin (since he is the protagonist) becomes selfish during the movie, but ends up back to what he was at the very beginning, so no character development there either (neither does Jasmine change). Pocahontas comes the closest to some development, but not much either. Mulan is the first princess who shows true development.
My point is: At the end of the day, the renaissance movies do worse concerning character development because they try to do more than fairy tales - but in the end of the day, the protagonists don't really change, their enviroment does. I take a straightforward fairy-tale over half-baked character development any day.

It's not my least favourite (though it's definitely on the bottom half of my list) but objectively it's the worst movie here. It has a good soundtrack and animation... that's about it, really. I like the way the romance is portrayed; such passion, but overall as a movie it shouldn't go very far in this countdown.

Swanpride makes a very good point regarding character development in classic/renaissance movies.

^ I'll allow myself to disagree although not sure if I can bring myself to even comment or actually make a pick in this poll seeing as I enjoy all of the DP movies to a more of lesser extent.

I don't think the characters in classic DP movies entirely lack development, but I don't agree with your sentiments regarding the renaissance movies either. Lets take Aladdin as an easiest example. He does undergo a major emotional transformation throughout the movie and what's the most remarkable, primarily with the help of his friend rather than a girl who inspired him to change and set his development in motion (common trope for the newer Disney princes). In fact, when Aladdin decides to change in order to impress Jasmine, the movie evidently establishes and presents it as a big mistake. Aladdin's major lack of self worth and insecurities proceed to backfire on him with tripple capacity after he inorganically changes who he is but he doesn't want to come bacl to being his previous self either, seeing as being himself was by his own admission "the last thing he wanted to be". Eventually, he comes to a realization that it's not a way to go about life, however. Aladdin in the beginning of the movie was hopelessly and helplessly dreaming of living in the castle and making his way out of poverty and "being trapped" by circumstances, Aladdin at the end of the movie gives up his final and possibly the only chance to achieve his initially established goals on behalf of his friend's freedom.

Ariel is not the same girl who plucked the petals of a flower in order to find out whether Eric loves her or not by the end of the movie. She is a fierce, struggling individual who knows what pain and heartbreak feels like and recognizes the necessity of fighting for the one you love rather than waiting untill he kisses you and fulfills your plan regarding happily ever after while you just sit and stare at him lovingly.

If anything, the environment is what changes in classic movies rather than characters themselves: for instance, Cinderella escapes the abusive household while remaining true to her initially established self which works organically in terms of the movie's primary concept and goal of highlighting her strength and unwillingess to give up on her dreams. That's the reason why the classics are special in their own way for they serve the purpose they were constructed to fulfill in the first place.

The problem with Aladdin's development is that he is at the start of the movie very much a person who looks out for the others and who mainly desires wealth in order to do better than the wealthy. When he gets the money, he suddenly changes...when at the end he realizes that wealth isn't worth giving up friendship he basically reverts back to the character he was at the start of the movie, with one or two experiences more. He might have learned to have more self-worth, but if that's the case, it's never adressed in the movie. It's more "I can't be with Jasmine, because I'm now poor again".

Ariel never even apologizes to her father for her actions...and when she sits on the rock watching Eric, she is very much the same longing girl she was before. Yes, perhaps some experiences richer, but again: The movie never adresses any changes on her character due to those experiences. We never see her acting more mature.

It's not really the enviroment that changes in the classic movie (at least not in the sense I meant). In the classic movie, the princess is in an opressive situation and then leaves the opression (or in Aurora's case, the fairies get rid of the reason for the opression) and the go to a NEW enviroment (translate: The castle of the prince). In the renaissance movies (minus Mulan), the princess form some sort of opinion and then their actions slowly change the opinion of selected people around them...In Ariel's case it's her father, In Belle's case it's the beast, in Aladdin's case it's the sultan who suddenly realizes that he can change the law whenever he wants, in Pocahontas case it's her father and the settlers realizing that war isn't the right way.

Mulan, Tiana and Rapunzel are different. They have goal's, they change during their stories. Mulan takes on the challenge to be a soldier and finds herself, Tiana realizes the importance of friendship and family, Rapunzel develops self-worth and finds her true roots.

^ The problem with Sleeping Beauty is that it is so unbalanced and bland. The characters don't have much personality to them (The characters in Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs and Cinderella hae interesting qualities and trais about them). It seems like they put in a lot more focus on the side characters (including Phillip and Aurora's fathers), and the filler takes up about half of the film, and is very innessecary (the filler in Snow White and Cinderella at least had a purpose to them). There is a lot of confusion about the point of view in this movie, the characters, etc. When the movie came out in 1959, even they were complaining about the blandness in the characters and plot, so the fact that it was older is no a factor. The characters don't have to be developed to the max, but the film just has a bunch of cardboard characters, confusing perspective, too much filler, and a lack to connect with the viewer's emotions. It is definitely not one of Disney's worst, but it is definitely the worst princess movie

About the character development in the renaissance films, Ariel did not change a all over the course of the film. She knew that Ursula was a sea witch before she even went to her, did not care to listen to other people's opinions if it was not along hers, and she got exactly what she wanted. She has never thought through her decisions, and did not learn a thing Triton was the one that changed and changed her to a human when she is watching Eric, and the movie rubs in your face that Triton was wrong, and Ariel did not have to make any sacrifices or learn any lessons. People can complain all they want abou Merida, but she changed along with her mother. She had absolutely no idea about what the spell would do to her mother, and from the way he film portrays the witch is that she has a good reputation. As soon as she realized what she did, her and her mother tried to find the witch and break the spell. You see the regret on Merida, and she really wants to do what is best for everyone. Ariel wanted what was best for herself.

I agree with you that Belle and Jasmine did not change over the course of their movies (I think Jasmine matures and learns to control her temper during the sequels and series, bu I know no one takes sequels into account, but she has redeeming personality traits about her). And I do not think that Belle is as complex as everyone makes her out to be. Sure she is curious, adventurous and smart, but she is not any more complex than her predecessor and successor. Aladdin has the most development out of ANY prince, and at the end, he really learns the value of friendship, and to be comfortable with who he is. The problem with him and Jasmine is that the ending was practically leading towards a sequel, and that is where both of them mature from teenagers to adults

@Jayden-G Depends on whom you see as the main character in Sleeping Beauty. Just because Aurora is the title character, she isn't necessarily the protagonist. If you see it as a movie about three fairies taking on the mistress of all evil, you get a different picture. Not saying that there aren't one or two things about the movie I would make different, but each Disney movie has one or two things which don't work. I would always pick out the movies which have three or four things which don't work, first.

Swanpride and Jayden-G, while I disagree with both of your statements in many ways (although Jayden-G makes good points about Aladdin and Jasmine that I agree with and I share Swanpride's opinion on classics for most part), I guess we're all entitled to our opinions, which is great. For one, Ariel DID apologize to Trtiton, direct quote being "Daddy, I'm sorry, I didn't mean it!" and the deal with Ursula she initially subjected herself to only ever implied consequences for HER and not for others, let alone her family or Eric. She knew that if she fails her part of the deal regarding getting the kiss of true love from Eric she will have to spend the rest of her life as Ursula's prisoner and was willing to face those consequences on her own. What she did was reckless but she did not willingly subscribe, in any way, shape of form, to put anyone but HERSELF in danger. And once she realized how extremely destructive the consequences of her actions turned out to be, she tried to the best of her ability to protect her loving ones - and succeeded, seeing as she saved Eric's life from Ursula thus giving him achance to bring the sea witch down. Merida on the other hand deliberately cursed her mother for entirely selfish purposes while still intending on benefitting from her royal privileges. IMO that has to be the most disturbing and selfish act ever commited by a Disney princess. Ariel and Jasmine were willing to start their lives from zero regardless of how reckless their decisions might have been, whereas Merida intentionally deprived her mother of free will in order to get what she wanted and in the end did exactly what Ariel did - apologized - only she gets praise for not doing it "for a guy", which wasn't the case with Ariel either.

Mulan's development was pretty much limited to a traditional "mary sue" construct: a clumsy outcast turns into a hero, which is incredibly predictable and easy to build and write. I love Mulan for the emotional struggle she underwent but there is no way her development was more tastefully written than the progression of other princesses. Tiana barely got any development at all, she and Naveen subjected each other to mutual insults and humiliation as the result of which he realized how much of a lazy and worthless narcissist he was and she decided that she REALLY needs to inorganically fit herself into certain designed standards of "having fun", which doesn't strike me as much of a development".

Aladdin wasn't the same at the end of the movie. Change is not always a definition of a convincing and natural development and Naveen is the easiest example. When change has no basis or substance it hardly passes for organic development, in Aladdin's case, however, he learns to put other people's needs above the self pity which he was unwilling to do through the course of the movie. It might seem insignificant for some people, shallow even... but to me it defines emotional growth and represents the overall progression far better than a "I have suddenly realized I love this girl therefore going to revaluate my entire life through the course of one day" trope, which only ever worked well with Flynn imo.

"Sorry, I didn't mean it" is for me not aknowledging that you have really done something wrong. It's something you say when you drop the dishes, but what Ariel did was throwing the dishes on the wall.

Mulan (unlike all of the other renaissance princesses) doesn't start with "I want more" but with "I want to know who I really am." At the start of the movie, she is someone who likes to make things easy for herself...sending her dog to feed the chickens, writing notes on her arm instead of learning. Going to the army is a challenge for her, one she accepts, and she "grows up" during the experiences. Later on she questiones her own motivations (a really good moment), and in the very end, she learns that her search for honor was not what was really important for her father.

Tiana's story is badly written, I agree, but I see what Disney was going for there. And yes, I agree that Naveen's change wasn't organic either. But again, I see what Disney was going for. With Aladdin, true character change is not in the book from the very beginning, it is about someone already decent loosing his way and finding back to himself in the end. Which isn't a bad story, it has actually be told countless times with varying success, but in Aladdin's case it simply means him reverting back to what he always was.

Swanpride I guess it's the kind of case where we should agree to disagree. Our perception of those movies and characters is admittedly different which is not in any way bad but it's not like either of us can change the other's opinion. I view Ariel's sincere apology to be more of a genuin remorse than, for instance, a long heartfelt speach about how much of a terrible daughter she was that the entire fiction is filled with.

Regardless of Mulan's initial motives, she did want "more" just as much as any other princess. She wanted to be SEEN as more than what other people perceived her as and the further progression of her character was structured based on a predictable and overused concept of self-fulfillment that the majority of life action movies revolve around.

In my opinion wherever Disney was going with PatF was significantly more trite and unoriginal than the story told in Aladdin.

Boring

@ Swanpride and Maryksand, this has been a very interesting discussion. Even though I love PatF, it is badly written, and the development with Naveen and Tiana is a hit too rushed. I think they were focusing a bit too much on the plots in the story.

I agree with Swanpride about Ariel's apology. She only said it because the situation was really messy, and there was nothing else to be done, while Merida immediately regrets what she did, and during the adventure, she bonds with her mother, and changes with Elinor. Merida is not much better than Ariel though.

I have not watched Mulan in a year or two, but this was a movie that I would watch everyday as a child. She definitely liked to take the easy way out, and was lazy in the beginning, but as the movie progresses, she becomes more active and confident about herself. She did want to be seen for who she is instead of what she should be perceived about her

Pocahontas does change in her story. She learns not to just make decisions for herself, and to make by decisions in her life, since she never needed to do that (she could be seen as a daddy's girl who never had to make a decision until the actions in he movie). She is very indecisive over the course of the movie, but she also becomes more sure and confident about her actions. She definitely matured over the course of the movies.

And It's pretty clear that Belle does not change at all over the course of her movie, but this movie has more than a few problems that many people overlook.

Rapunzel definitely did change over the course of her movie. She went from this shy, insecure, and naive girl to a strong, determind, and confident young woman.

To me, the "mooooore" princesses are Ariel, Belle, Pocahontas and Jasmine...mainly because of the "I want songs in their movies (admittingly, in Jasmine's case it's song by Aladdin). "I want moooooooore" (part of your world), "I want so much more than they've got planned" (Belle Reprise), "There is so much more to me" (One jump reprise) - only Pocahontas is a little bit more subtle by hoping that something is waiting just around the riverbend.
Mulan, Tiana and Rapunzel are the "When" princesses..."When will my reflection show, who I am inside?" "When will my life begin" and in Tiana's case, she gives the answer of the "When" question herself...soon, because she is "almost there".
The classic princesses are the "I dream" princesses. (Well, Snow white wishes, but that's very close).

I think it's boring personally.

Jayden-G I have to disagree with you in regards to Merida, but I do feel the need to highlight and point out that I love her character regardless of the immense issues I might have with the recklessness and inconsideration (sometimes deliberately hurtful and destructive) of her decisions, choices and overall behavious. She was far from taking "responsibility immediately", in fact, AFTER her mother turned into a bear she kept insisting it was not her fault (you don't say!) and was entirely unwilling to acknowledge the infinitely dangerous and thoughtless nature of her act up untill the point where she was literally at risk of losing her mother. Ariel would have never taken that kind of risk in regards to Triton or her sisters. She never meant to "change" them inroganically through magic without their consent, she only subjected herself to a change she had been striving for.