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How many of you are with Gay/Bi/Lesbion rights?

because i heard that in your bible, that God is against them, saying that the homosexual person will go to hell, if they do not change their ways. no offense but i just find that screwed up.
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Dearheart said:
Can of worms. You have opened it. xD

First, let's be clear about something...did you come to our spot looking for a fight, or do you genuinely want to hear what we have to say? Being "open-minded" goes both ways, you know. Are you willing to try to see things from our point of view?

If so, then here's how I think most of us see it. We believe in God - Father, Son and Holy Spirit - and we believe that the Bible was inspired and dictated directly sa pamamagitan ng Him. And the Bible states pretty clearly that guy with guys and girls with girls is wrong, both in the Old Testament and the New Testament. God designed romantic pag-ibig and marriage to be between a man and a woman only. Man and woman complete each other, temper each other and balance each other out...physically, emotionally and spiritually.

Look at it this way: can you forge a sword using two tongs or two hammers? No, you need one of each - one to lift and support the metal, and one to shape it into something beautiful and strong. Likewise, a godly marriage needs a man and a woman. They are both equally special and important, but in different ways. They fill each other's strengths and weaknesses and they both have natural, different roles to fill; roles assigned to them sa pamamagitan ng the Ultimate Matchmaker to help forge a strong, healthy, godly relationship. Having two men or two women together upsets the balance and distorts God's disensyo for marriage.

Having sinabi all that...does this give us the go-ahead to hate or disrespect gays, or mean that God hates gay people? Absolutely not...'cause there's this little thing called "love the sinner, hate the sin". While standing firm in the truth is extremely important, it's equally important to reach out in pag-ibig to people and ipakita them the grace that our Savior showed us. Unfortunately, many Christians ugoy to one of two extremes: 1) they hold on to the truth of God's Word so hard that they get obsessed with "being right" and forget to be loving. 2) They become so preoccupied with being loving that they let go of the truth completely just to make others feel better and they get all wishy-washy. Neither of those extremes are good ones. Finding the balance is the key, and a lot of Christians struggle with it; myself included.

I am NOT homophobic, and I hate it when people slap that label on me just because I disagree with homosexuality. I do not hate or fear gay people. I don't look down on them or resent them in any way. (Some of my mom's mga kaibigan are gay, and she's a pastor's wife!) If one of my mga kaibigan admitted they were addicted to drugs, I'd still pag-ibig them and care about them, but I'd do what I could to help them. I wouldn't drag them kicking and screaming to an NA meeting or anything, because you can't force someone to quit; but I'd still pray for them, talk to them about my concerns and let them know that they can get help if they want to.
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(continued) Likewise, if one of my mga kaibigan ever came out of the closet, I wouldn't call off the friendship or force them to "pray away the gay". That's not how God works, and that's not how He'd want me to act towards them. But I'd still be open about my concerns and let them know where they could find help if they ever wanted it.
Dearheart posted sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
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LOL. xD Well, erm...thanks for the amen, and I'm glad you agree with my answer...but if you don't mind me asking, why do you hate them? I don't dislike you for saying so, but I still don't think that's a very Christlike attitude. Hesus calls us to reach out in pag-ibig to everyone, especially the sinners and outcasts. "Jesus sinabi to them, 'It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.'" --Mark 2:17.
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aks god before you do something wrong and are bad
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thespikedturtle said:
Heck no! I think there's something wrong with that. If God didn't want people to be gay/bi/lesbian, than he could have changed it. Besides, a person can't help it if they are or not, they're born with it!
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So yeah, I agree with you.
thespikedturtle posted sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
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I didnt choose to be Bi and you dont know how many times I considered suicide becuase of you people
K5-HOWL posted sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
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God may have stated that sexuality is a din. But Adam and Eve were also naked until Satan gave them the idea of shame. And you don't see us walking around naked! And K5-HOWL has an excellent point, there was a man who was murdered in his army base just because he was gay. Do you think he wanted that? If he had the choice of being gay or not, he could have avoided that with ease.
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Cinders said:
I wasn't gonna touch this tanong with a ten foot pole, for various reasons. The first of which, I'm not Christian, and since your tanong addresses Christians, I don't feel exactly qualified to answer. segundo of all, I don't want to make Christians feel defensive in their own spot. And third of all, I've gotten into this issue several times in the past all across fanpop, and in all honesty, I feel I've exhausted it.

But after Dearheart's response, and reactions to sinabi response, I decided to put in my two cents.

Someone's beliefs are their own. Question, but don't attack them. For example, calling someone's beliefs "screwed up" isn't exactly fair. Even if you attach the phrase "no offense" to it. I am a big supporter of gay rights. I'm bisexual myself. But if people want to believe that that part of who I am is wrong, so long as they don't yell hate speech at me or trample on my rights, then let them. We have different perspectives, that's all. I try not to assume that my perspective is any madami valid than their's.

I don't believe that their nakakita that it is wrong should determine the laws, anymore that I believe vegetarian nakakita should outlaw eating meat. But I'm OK with the fact that they hold those views. In fact, I'm even curious about those views, and have listened to interesting responses, like Dearheart's above me, for example. I still disagree - but it helps me understand their perspective more, and builds mutual respect, I think.

So be careful with these things. It could turn into a brawl, or it can become an experience for which both parties are the richer.
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I agree with this answer as well, very well put.
sesshyswind posted sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
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Just curious: @ Cinders, why are you on this spot if you aren't Christian?
MadamOcta13 posted sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
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I get that a lot. So I answer it here: link
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Frizzhead said:
I believe that you are either born with a certain sexuality and as you grow it becomes madami obvious especially during puberty. I don't agree with the idea that pag-ibig between a man and a man or a woman and a woman should be seen as a sin. When has pag-ibig ever been a sin and why should it be.
I think the Bible is guidelines for life but there are parts of life whether you have to choose between what the bible states and your own judgements and morals.

I am a Catholic and support gay/Bi/Lesbion rights wholeheartedly.I don't believe you have tp choose between one and the other. I am straight myself but i hate the idea of people being discriminated against based on such a thing as who you are attracted to. So to round it up ...no i don't think pag-ibig is a sin
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:3
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E-rock said:
Straight :D
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i was asking if u were with Gay rights or not -_-
K5-HOWL posted sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
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Oh lololol. i dont kow
E-rock posted sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
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so are u or not?
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fugiami said:
this is how i feel about it. . .adam and eve not adam and steve. but don't get me wrong, personally i have no problems w/ gay or lesbian people. i try to judge people sa pamamagitan ng the content of their character but personaly i don't believe it is natural. like i sinabi above, adam and eve not adam and steve :)
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I agree!
MadamOcta13 posted sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
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you shouldn't judge at all.
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JesusLover47803 said:
in my personal opinion i think that God still ♥ them but hate the sins
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and why does being gay HAVE to be a sin?
EmoCupCake posted sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
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Because it says so in the Bible. Or, to put it another way, God sinabi so. 'nuff said.
faithinChrist posted sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
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OK. Right. This needs to be said. Just because it is in the Bible does not mean it is automatically true. God didn't make us. I don't want to put a faith in Christ that punishes people for loving.
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Loveaddict1234 said:
Dearheart is 100% right. Being gay may definetly be a hereditary thing but it has been sinabi that murder is also hereditery and drugs and being a drunk and all of this. These things are sins none the less. But you have to resist temptations, depending on the person you are, those temptations may be strong or not so strong. Like you have to resist the temptation of drugs, you would also have to resist the temptations of same sex relationships, which could also be stronger than others.
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Well sinabi :)
peterslover posted sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
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Being Gay isn't hereditary. That's like saying being shy is hereditary. It's not.
LoopyLuna96 posted sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
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Being gay is not a chioce, how many people do you know who want to choose a life that usually lead to suicide, bulllying, discremination, there was even a boy who was murdered MURDERED for being gay. Do you not know how many gays wish they werent gays because of the things that happen to them. >:(
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MadamOcta13 said:
Not true! God doesn't send people to Hell just because of that! That person can't help the way they are! No, it's how they act on those feelings that is judged. I'm Catholic, so what I was taught was that gay marriges aren't appropiate, because it has to do with the fact that God created man and woman to be together, not man and man or woman and woman. But just because you feel that way doesn't mean that you'll go to Hell (again, I'm Catholic; other religions might have a different take).
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God also created Hermaphadites
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MissKnowItAll said:
Can opened... worms everywhere

But I am completely FOR!
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Lolly4me2 said:
I'm with the rights.
I have some gay and bi friends, actually...
I mean, that doesn't make God pag-ibig me any less, right?
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uscfever94 said:
I think that as long as we believe that God is our creator and Hesus died on the tumawid for our sins to be forgiven, in which he is our savior, then God won't banish us to Hell because we are saved. Correct me if I'm wrong but our salvation cannot be tooken from us once we have accepted Christ. All sins are equal so being gay is equal to telling a little white lie to get out of a speeding ticket or a date. Thats just what I think but I'd pag-ibig to get some feedback on my opinion.
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pag-ibig the icon
K5-HOWL posted sa loob ng isang taon na ang nakalipas
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I agree!
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LoopyLuna96 said:
Why shouldn't they have the same rights? They're still Human. Everyone has the right to love!
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sapherequeen said:
I am! :)
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In case this didn't make sense; I'm for Gay Rights. I myself may be bisexual.
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Same here.
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